4am Footsteps | True Paranormal Stories | Ep #42

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I will always tell people to
trust their gut, although it's

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tough because I want to trust my
gut but sometimes my gut is

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paranoid.
Welcome strangers and strange

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links and happy strange tober.
I, Madam Strangeways, am here to

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narrate your true strange
stories of the unexplained.

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Stick around after the story
where I share my strange

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thoughts and observations for
believers and skeptics alike,

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and I will drag you down a
Slough of strange rabbit holes

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along the way, kicking and
screaming if needs must, before

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we get to today's true strange
story.

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Strange Ways.
Oh, did you hear that?

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I think it's about to rain
hellcats and hell hounds

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outside, so you know what that
means.

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On to our true strange story
here on Madam Strange Ways.

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My most terrifying experience by
Petra.

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We had a little girl ghost in
our previous house.

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We've all seen her, hurt her.
She was sweet, nice.

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We didn't mind.
Coexisting was easy.

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She was maybe 5 or 6 years old.
One night I was all by myself.

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Kids were spending the night
with friends and or their mom.

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We are a patchwork family.
My little girl was at a friend's

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house and the other two with
their mom.

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My husband was at work, he's a
truck driver and expected back

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around 4.
AMI was sitting on the couch

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watching TV when it started.
I heard heavy footsteps and

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something dragging above me.
Except this was a one story

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house with no attic, not even a
crawl space.

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Heavy, heavy footsteps dragging.
Maybe a heavy sack of flour.

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I want to think flour because we
all know what the alternative

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would be.
It was so loud and I was so

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frozen with fear that I could
not move off the couch.

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I called my husband and asked if
he could hear this through the

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phone and he could.
I called some more friends and

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they all heard it.
My husband told me to go to a

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hotel but I couldn't because my
purse and car keys were in my

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bedroom.
I felt like I could not go down

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that hallway to my bedroom.
I don't know why that I had that

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feeling, I just.
I just knew not to go into the

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hallway so I stayed on the couch
until my husband came in at 4:00

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AM.
When he walked in we could both

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hear it for another couple of
minutes then it was gone.

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Never happened again.
I was terrified and the whole

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air around me felt thick and
dreadful.

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It never stopped until my
husband came home and after he

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heard it for a few minutes it
stopped and the air felt normal.

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This was the only time I was
afraid of a ghost, quote UN

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quote and I had never been so
afraid.

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Petra, thank you so much for
allowing me to read your

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horrifying story.
I am so glad to hear that you

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are not in this house anymore
because this happened in your

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previous house if I understood
correctly.

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So thank goodness because you
don't need that in your life.

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Hello, everybody, welcome,
welcome.

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Welcome to Strange Tober.
Happy Strange Tober, everyone

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all month long, so excited.
You know, I'm recording this.

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I'm I'm going to tell you a
little peek behind the curtain.

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Behind the strange curtain.
It's October 4th when I'm

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recording this.
I should have been recording

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this back in August at minimum.
Probably should have been July.

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That's not how we roll here.
That's not how we roll here in

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the strange zone.
Strange.

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I feel like I had a word for
this at some point.

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You know what?
e-mail me

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madamstrangeways@gmail.com.
What do we call this space?

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Oh, strange space.
What do you think?

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Let me know,
madamstrangeways@gmail.com.

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Anyway, that's not how we roll
here.

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That's not how we roll.
So unfortunately I am recording

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this on October 4th.
We're already four days into

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Strange Tober and I'm already
like, no, Oh my God, October's

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almost over.
Like I'm, I'm already like

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mourning it.
And it's not even Halloween yet,

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so I don't know if you feel the
same way again, e-mail me

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madamstrangeways@gmail.com.
Let me know, am I alone?

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Is it just me?
Anyway, on to Petra's story.

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First of all, Petra, what a cool
name.

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What a cool name, what a bad ass
name.

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I love it.
But what I don't love is that

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you had to go through this.
So first of all, Petra, I am so

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sorry that you had to experience
this, especially alone.

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I mean, I'm not sure how much
better it would have been if

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your kids had been home, because
then I'm sure that probably

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would have spooked the kids in
addition to spooking you.

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That would be my guess.
But also maybe there would have

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been something kind of like,
like a protective instinct on

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your part to protect the kids,
and then maybe you would have

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been running on more adrenaline.
I don't know.

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I'm.
It's just scary to be alone.

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It's scary when you're alone
because you're also like, am I

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crazy?
You know, for instance, like

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calling your husband and asking,
like, can you hear this or am I

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hallucinating?
And yeah, just so, so creepy,

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Especially because.
OK, OK, let's just jump back.

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Let's let's jump to the
beginning.

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A little girl ghost.
Y'all had a First of all, I love

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Petra.
How just like casually you're

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just like, Oh yeah, we had a
little girl ghost in the house.

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Yeah, no worries.
She was just like 5 or 6.

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Like we got along great.
She was a great roommate.

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She didn't bother anybody.
She was really nice.

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Like, what do you mean?
How can you just drop that and

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then just walk on?
Go on with the story.

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That's crazy.
I want to know more about this

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little girl, first of all.
First of all, especially because

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everyone has seen her.
Everyone has heard her.

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I don't like it.
But you know, I guess she didn't

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bother anybody.
That's fine.

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But then like, so then did you
have two ghosts?

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Because is this a separate
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I assume that a little girl
ghost is not making heavy

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footsteps.
I suppose she would be capable

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of it if she put her mind to it,
because you know how I feel

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about weird little girls.
I love.

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I I love weird little girls.
I was a weird little girl before

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weird little girl power.
You know, I so she could

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probably figure it out, but it's
if it made you feel unsafe,

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probably it's not a little girl
ghost.

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Although now that I'm saying
this out loud, guys, this isn't

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scripted.
If this isn't clear, none of my

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commentary is is is scripted
when it comes to these kinds of

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stories, unless I'm doing like a
deep dive when there's research

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involved, then it's kind of
scripted.

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But this is not scripted at all.
It's probably you're probably

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thinking this is very clear that
it's not that it's not scripted

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Madam, because here's the thing.
Little kids are spooky and and

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scary movies.
They're super spooky when

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they're used to spooky effect.
Right?

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So like if you look at signs,
the little girl, I don't think

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she was spooky, but I bet some
people did.

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I thought she was so cute.
Bo Oh my God, so cute, so cute.

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I didn't think she was scary,
but I bet some people kind of

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thought she was a little weird.
However, you look at Ringu or

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Juon and it's like, OK, well,
terrifying, right?

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So scary, but this little girl
ghost is like a western little

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girl ghost and maybe western
little girls are not as scared.

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Why is that?
Why someone smarter than me let

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me know
madamstrangeways@gmail.com What

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is it with like the the split
between little kids especially

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being super?
Maybe my maybe my sample size is

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small, but I feel like there's
something to be discussed there.

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Just like I said, someone
smarter than me please chime in

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madamstrangeways@gmail.com.
Anyway, I don't think this was

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little girl because like you
said, like Petra said, little

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girl ghost was sweet and nice
etcetera.

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Curious, so is there 2 ghosts?
And where did this ghost go?

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Because it doesn't sound like it
ever happened again.

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It was the only time it happened
and you've never been so scared.

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So what the heck?
What was it?

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Was it a ghost?
Was it a ghost?

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This is where we get to the
point where if there was a

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complete 100% skeptic listening,
I'm not sure that they're still

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listening.
However, I love to give both a

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skeptical or a mundane
explanation as well as a

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paranormal 1.
And so that's kind of what we're

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going to get into here.
So I will start just with the

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paranormal explanation where,
OK, you've already got, you

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know, you're already
understanding that there's

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paranormal activity in the home
because like there's a little

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girl ghost in the house, right?
OK, so clearly there's ghosts

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around.
Is it that strange to think that

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there's a second ghost?
Probably not, right, 'cause

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like, what is it?
Like I don't even want to say

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this 'cause I hate them.
But it's like if you talk to an

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exterminator and you see, you
know, they say like if you see

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one gross bug, I'm not even
going to specify I hate, I hate

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bug infestations.
It's disgusting.

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But anyway, they go like if you
see like 1 bad bug, it's not

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just one.
There's a bunch.

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You just can't see them and
they're hiding or you know,

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they'll come out soon or there's
a ton of them.

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So is that kind of what we're
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You know, like not to be Ed
Warren about it and call it an

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infestation because we know Ed
Warren, the self-proclaimed

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demonologist and self-taught
demonologist loves to throw the

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word infestation around when it
comes to ghosts and demons.

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But you know is that is that
kind of related?

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Like, maybe there were just more
ghosts.

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And maybe for some reason, this
night, maybe this night was the

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night that the man died 50 years
ago and this is just the last

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thing he did when before he died
was drag a sack of heavy flour

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around.
Nothing else.

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Nothing else.
Nothing weirder than that.

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Just flour.
I get you not wanting to think

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of something scarier.
Like, for instance, a body.

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Sorry, I did have to say it.
A corpse.

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Maybe it's not even a corpse.
Maybe it's a living person and

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something's horrible.
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Just there's so many thing.
This is the thing.

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Your imagination is always worse
than the truth, right?

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Or worse than when you don't
know something.

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You're going to fill in the gaps
and they're going to be really

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disturbing and scary.
Or at least that's how my brain

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fills in gaps.
I know it's not just me.

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I bet if you're listening to
this, you probably do the same

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thing anyway.
You know, maybe that is just the

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night that he did that.
And every year, you know, or

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every five years or, you know,
whatever, you know, there's,

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there's sure.
I think if you already have one

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ghost in the house, it's not
that much of A stretch to say

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there's another ghost.
Now.

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Why was it doing that?
What was that feeling?

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You know, just something bad
happened in the house.

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I would have a lot of more.
I would have a lot more

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questions.
I would want to know if I was

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looking at this from a
paranormal, if I was a

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paranormal investigator, I would
want to know, are there any

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crimes that happened in the
house, like murders, deaths, you

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know, anything that you could
find?

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What's the history of the house?
What was there before the house?

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And that doesn't necessarily
mean that I'm asking if there

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was a Native American burial
ground on on the land.

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OK, we don't have to get that
horror movie cliche about it.

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But like, was there something
else traumatic that happened on

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the land?
I know, you know, there's the

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stone tape theory where, you
know, in a nutshell, something

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that has happened in real life
kind of gets etched into the,

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the, the quote UN quote like
tape of time and that it just

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repeats.
And it's not an intelligent

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haunting.
It's a residual haunting.

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So is, you know, is, is that
what we're dealing with?

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ask, well, then why hasn't this

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ever been experienced before?
Why was it never experienced

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again?
Like what you know, it's just

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there's lots of questions.
Very scary though, especially

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because like when you got to
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Like I will always tell people
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it's tough because I want to
trust my gut, but sometimes my

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gut is paranoid or my gut is
having, having, having a bit of

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an, having a little bit of a
panic attack, just a wee bit,

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just a wee little panic attack,
that's all.

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Yeah, that happens sometimes.
And so it's hard to trust my

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gut.
But of course you should trust

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your gut.
You know, that's just do as I

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say, not as I do, but I get it
like feeling I cannot do X

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because I just feel in my bones
that something bad is going to

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happen if I do it.
I sounds really, really scary

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and especially if it, you know,
all of this was clearly

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happening through the witching
hour, 3:00 AM, which I will say,

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I feel I feel away about 3:00 AM
And like anytime, anytime in a

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story when someone is saying
like, Oh my God, and 3:00 AM, it

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was happening at 3:00 AM and
that's the witching hour.

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And that's when you know,
demons, blah, blah, blah.

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I've been that.
I've been there before.

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I have thought that before.
I've had to seriously do kind of

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like almost exposure therapy
with myself alone, not with a

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therapist to now.
I'm like, and when I wake up and

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it's like 3:33 AM, I'm like,
nice.

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And then I go back to bed
because there's not really any,

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there's not really any basis for
3:00 AM.

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It's just kind of word of mouth
and also cognitive bias.

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And you know, you just when
someone says this thing always

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happens at 3:00 AM, you know, my
question is, are you actually

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recording this information?
Are you gathering all the data

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every time you wake up?
Are you looking at what time it

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is and then writing it down to
the spreadsheet?

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And then if you are, and then
you are still only waking up at

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3:00 AM, then though that comes
to, OK, I'm getting into the

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mundane and skeptical view.
My point is, if you're looking

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at it from a paranormal point of
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Spooky time.
So obviously this was happening

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during the quote UN quote
witching hour because your

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husband, Petra's husband didn't
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And then but of course, of
course, like within minutes of

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Mr. Petra coming inside the
house, all of a sudden it stops

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and never happened again.
That's so annoying.

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Could I just say like, I'm glad
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like that's so annoying.
Like what do you what are you

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talking about?
It's almost like when you're

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having an IT issue and then IT
takes a look at your computer

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and then it's not happening
anymore and you look crazy and

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you look kind of dumb.
I mean, you're like, I swear it

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was just happening, but now it's
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Kind of like that.
I mean at least he it was

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happening when he was there and
you could both hear it, but

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still like what is that ghost?
Oh, now that there's a man in

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the house, you're not going to
scare the woman that's left

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alone.
Hmm, don't approve, don't like

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it.
So that ghost dragging the

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flower, the flower dragger
ghost.

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Not cool, dude, not cool.
All right, so now we're moving

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on to mundane or skeptical or as
I like to also say, naturalistic

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explanations.
OK, So I was kind of getting

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into it with the 3:00 AM spooky
hour.

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But The thing is, is like there
are studies that show that 3:00

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AM is kind of really typical
time for people to wake up

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either because of high cortisol,
like REM sleep, etcetera.

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I mean, of course, it depends on
around when you go to sleep, but

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circadian rhythm just happens to
be that that you're kind of up

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at 3:00 AM.
Now, that is not what's

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happening here.
Petra was up.

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She was up.
She was up at 3:00.

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That's not what this is.
I just have to address it

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because I brought it up.
My bad.

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That's my bad.
Anyway, so little girl ghost,

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all right, I don't know.
Not knowing, OK, because I don't

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know what actually happened with
the little girl ghost.

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I don't know any of the
experiences that happened around

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the little girl ghost.
Obviously, it doesn't sound like

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it was anything, you know,
traumatic even remotely.

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But The thing is, the entire
family has been primed.

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The entire family has been
primed to expect there to be a

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ghost in the house.
So once you expect there to be a

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ghost in the house, kind of like
what I was saying earlier is

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like, well, then I don't think
it's that big of a stretch for

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you to think that there are two
ghosts in the house.

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If you're already having things
happen in the house and you are

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assigning a supernatural
explanation to them.

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Of course, if something happens
and you can't explain it, you're

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going to be, you know, you're
going to be pinning it on the

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paranormal.
You're going to be pinning it on

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a ghost, obviously not the
little girl ghost in this case,

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but a ghost.
So there's that.

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First of all, you know,
regardless of whether or not the

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little girl ghost is actually a
ghost, regardless of whether

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that is because obviously,
listen, if I read your story on

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here, I need you to understand.
If I read your story, it's

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because I feel like you are
telling the truth and you have

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really experienced something
that is unexplainable.

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So I am not questioning whether
or not there was a little girl

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ghost.
It actually doesn't matter.

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The point is, is that you're
primed for there to be a ghost

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in the house.
So there's that.

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However, it doesn't make a
dragging sound and heavy

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footsteps above you when there's
no attic or crawl space.

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It doesn't make that any less
terrifying.

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And if it were me, of course I
would do the same things where

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it's like, was it wildlife?
Like, what was it?

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Was it, you know, there's going
to be some mundane explanation,

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except, you know, that Petra
felt that overwhelming heavy

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sense of dread and foreboding
and, and, and just fear.

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So, you know, is, does that come
from expecting it to be a ghost

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or, you know, what is that?
What what is that?

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Is that that anxiety?
You're also alone.

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It's night time, you know, I
assume that the house is not

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normally empty.
So does that maybe play into it?

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You know, I know I get really
jumpy sometimes, especially when

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it's late at night and I'm like,
what is that noise?

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I don't normally remember
hearing that noise.

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Maybe I did, Maybe I have heard
that noise, but I wasn't paying

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attention because I wasn't
scared and on high alert

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questions.
But if it were happening to me,

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I think this is kind of the way
that I would go.

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It's like, first of all, Oh my
God, is there someone on the

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roof?
Like, is there an actual human

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being on my roof?
Walking back and forth.

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And if so, why?
And if so, oh God, you know, I

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think I would panic and and
think about calling 911.

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I mean, I think definitely
calling someone to be like, do

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you hear this?
Am I crazy?

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I think that makes complete
sense.

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But I think if it were me, I
would really hope that it was

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like a rabid raccoon.
You know, like, I don't want it

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to be rabid.
I do.

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I, you know, if I could wave a
wand and eradicate rabies from

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the world right now, you know, I
would.

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But I would hope that it was
like an animal that was for some

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reason pacing back and forth,
although I can't really think of

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a reason why that would ever
happen.

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But barring it being an animal,
you know, happening so

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consistently back and forth,
back and forth and in the

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footsteps, I mean, I know
rodents of all kinds, you know,

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from squirrels to rats to, you
know, probably raccoons.

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I know they're not rodents, but,
you know, wildlife that can get

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into your OK.
There's not an attic, there's

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not a crawl space.
But there's something right?

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Like in the roof.
Like, I mean, I guess I'm trying

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to picture a roof scenario in
which it just goes roof house.

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Is that also?
I feel like now I've said roof

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now do I say it weird?
Do I sound like I'm a dog

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barking?
Roof, roof, roof, roof, roof.

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How do we say
madamstrangeways@gmail.com?

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Let me know.
How do you pronounce roof?

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Was I pronouncing it weird?
Anyway, there has to be some

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space.
Even if it's not a crawl space,

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there's something up there
because like, insulation is

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supposed to be up there, right?
I guess, I don't know, that's

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kind of even scarier.
I don't love that, you know, OK,

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I'm just, I'm just riffing here.
Like, is it like, was there like

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a loose roof?
Shit, there it is again.

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Is it a loose shingle?
You know, like, was it a windy

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night possibly.
Was there a shingle that was

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kind of being blown just enough
to get the wind under it and

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then it's kind of smacking back
down on on the roof roof.

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Is that maybe that's something
or like a branch of a nearby

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tree?
You know, that's like hitting

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the there's I, I feel like
there's something there.

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I just without me being there
and, and being able to replicate

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it or, you know, take a look
around, you know, we're just

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never going to know.
We're never going to know

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exactly what caused it.
But you know, it could be

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something like that.
But then even even if it was

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something like a shingle or a
tree branch or honestly

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anything, anything mundane, why
did it stop shortly after Mr.

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Petra came home?
That would be my question.

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I don't have an answer to that.
Maybe.

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OK, you know what?
If it actually was a human

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being, a living human being that
was actually walking back and

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forth with a heavy sack of flour
on the roof like a weirdo.

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If it actually was a human being
doing that.

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And husband came home and then
weirdo on the roof was like, uh

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oh, rut row.
And then clambers off the roof,

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never to be seen or heard from
again because he didn't realize

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that Miss Petra had a Mr. Petra.
You know, maybe that's it.

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Maybe that makes the most sense
out of all of the options, all

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the mundane options.
Maybe.

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I kind of think I like that the
best, although it is almost the

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scariest.
See, as again, I'll always say

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honestly, the living are way
scarier than the dead and

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they're definitely a lot more
dangerous than the dead.

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The living can hurt you.
The dead I will.

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This is the hill I will die on.
And when I die on that hill, I

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will not be a danger to you
because I firmly believe that

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the dead cannot hurt you and
that there is not a supernatural

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force or a paranormal force that
can actually hurt you.

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So that's me.
That's my hot take.

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That's my paranormal hot take.
But you know, living creatures

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can, human beings can definitely
and will definitely hurt you.

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So spooky, very spooky.
So I guess when it comes to

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breaking it down, paranormal
versus mundane, the paranormal

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angle, I mean, I think I, I, I
kind of like my pet theory of

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like something happened on that
night.

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It's a residual haunting and
he's just repeating his, his

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death or something leading up to
his death.

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Or it's like, you know, I don't
know, it's something dramatic

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and hopefully cool and not at
all a body or a corpse.

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That's just fingers crossed.
And then from a mundane or

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skeptical standpoint, maybe it
was actually a human being

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dragging something heavy or just
walking and the dragging, Who

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knows?
I don't know.

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Maybe it was actually a human
being and then they skedaddled

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as soon as Mr. Patrick came
home.

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I don't know.
Let me know though, if you're

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listening and you have thoughts
on to how to explain this from

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either a paranormal angle or
from a naturalistic or mundane

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angle.
I would love to hear your

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thoughts. e-mail them to me at
madamstrangeways@gmail.com.

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And of course, if you have your
own strange story that you want

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to hear narrated on the show,
e-mail it to me.

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You know the e-mail
madamstrangeways@gmail.com.

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Thank you for joining me for
more true strange stories of the

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unexplained.
Remember that you can feel

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afraid and not be in danger.
You're safe here with me,

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probably.
Please follow the podcast, leave

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a rating on Spotify or Apple, or
tell your friends and foes about

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the show.
It would mean the world to me.

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The underworld, obviously, I
mean, come on.

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Was that not?
Was that not clear?

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Madam Strange Ways is produced
and narrated by me.

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Madam Strange Ways theme music
is by

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marina.ryan@marinamakes.co.
Cover art is by Andrea Chisel

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Roldan at Cult of Teddy on
Instagram.

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You can submit your own true
strange story at

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madamstrangeways.com or e-mail
it to

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madamstrangeways@gmail.com.
See you soon, she said

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ominously.