Clarence Street Time Slip in Staines, Surrey, London | True Scary Stories & Spooky Folklore | Ep #56

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A time slip is not something you
turn into HR or Accounts

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payable.
I'll be here all week.

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Hello stranger, and welcome to
Madam Strange Ways, where I,

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Madam Strange Ways, narrate your
true strange stories of the

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unexplained.
Whether you're a skeptic, A

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believer, or.
Some.

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Secret third thing stick around
after the story where I'll share

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my strange thoughts, strange
research, and strange

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observations about said strange
story.

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Along the way, I will also drag
you down a slew of strange

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rabbit holes, kicking and
screaming if needs must.

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Now that it's about to rain
Hellcats and hell hounds

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outside, though, you know what
that means.

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Time for our new True Strange
story here with Madam Strange

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Ways.
Content warning this episode

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includes non gratuitous
references to suicide.

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Please listen with care.
If you or someone you know is

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struggling with suicidal
ideation, go to

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findahelpline.com and enter your
country and it'll give you a

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suicide helpline to call or text
in the USA and Canada, dial or

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text 988 clearance St.
Time slip by Izzy Trigger

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warning a suicide is mentioned
in the postscript.

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Hi Reddit, I've had a lot of
strange experience in my 46

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years.
I finally decided to share them

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online.
This is the one I chose to

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describe first.
Apologies for the length, but I

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remember every detail of this
clearly, helped by the fact that

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I wrote it all down as soon as I
got home.

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It was dusk, approximately 5:50
PM on Monday the 1st of November

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2004.
I'm 25 years old, It's lightly

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raining and I'm at the bridge
end of Clarence Street, Staines,

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Surrey, UK, Walking home towards
Egham after a day in the office.

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It's an Old Street, 4 lanes with
a narrow median.

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The pavement or sidewalk, I'll
use the latter term henceforth

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on my side at least, is just
about wide enough for two people

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to pass, not much more, and has,
or at least had at the time, an

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uneven patchwork surface which
often presented a trip hazard.

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Since it is the evening rush
hour, I am one of very many

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people heading home.
The road is busy with cars and

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there are many pedestrians who
might have to avoid bumping

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shoulders with whilst avoiding
the puddles.

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I look ahead to see a young
woman walking towards me about

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15 feet away.
She has long brown hair, wears a

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thick white sweater and carries
a black leather bag.

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She moves slightly to her left
and I move slightly to mine so

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we can easily pass.
I glance down to check my

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footing and in the exact moment
that I look up, everything

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changed.
The young woman vanished.

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Just popped out of existence
like a glitch in a video game,

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as did all of the six or seven
cars which were in my field of

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view on this side of the road.
Simply gone in a moment, along

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with the rain and the puddles.
Even the ground is now bone dry.

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I stopped in my tracks, almost
frozen to the spot.

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Every hair stood on end and my
blood ran cold.

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I snapped my head round to see
if the young woman had passed

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me, though she would have had to
have teleported if so.

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No, she wasn't there.
Nobody was.

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As far as I could see on my side
of the road.

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There was now not a soul.
Except there was now an old man

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in front of me, a man who I can
say for certain had not been

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there before.
He was about 20 feet in front of

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me with his back to me such that
I had a three quarter rear view

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of him, 75 or 80 years old, a
hunched stance, messy Gray hair,

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and a bald spot.
For fans of the British Irish

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sitcom Father Ted, he looked
exactly like Father Jack, at

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least from my perspective.
He wore a slightly baggy and

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very crumpled dark grey suit and
black shoes.

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He was standing right on the
curb in a rather odd way.

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His heels were on the curb and
his feet were flat, leaving the

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toes of his shoes hung in the
air over the edge in a way that

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almost seemed to defy gravity.
I stood and stared at this man

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for a good 15 or 20 seconds,
taking in every detail.

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This was no shadow in the corner
of my eye.

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This man was as real as any.
Notably, he was pointing towards

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the bridge, intently pointing
with an arm fully extended, and

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though I couldn't see his face,
I could see his mouth was open.

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I looked hard towards the
bridge, but could not see

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anything of note that he might
be pointing at.

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But what was notable to me as I
did so was that the other side

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of Clarence Street was as normal
and as busy as it should be, and

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if something spooky was
happening here, it was not

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visible to my fellow commuters.
Most eerily, I couldn't hear any

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of it.
All the racket of cars and their

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horns.
People on the phone was mute.

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All was dead silence except for
my own breath and subsequent

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footsteps.
Well, whatever the case, I

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needed to pass this man.
So I stepped to my right and

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gave him a berth so wide my
shoulder was rubbing the walls

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as I passed him, all the while
keeping him in my peripheral

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vision and decided in that
moment that I would look round

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and look at his face as soon as
I had passed.

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I wanted to see the nature of
his expression.

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Was he sad, angry, shocked.
Confused?

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Despite these extremely odd
circumstances, he could just be

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an old man with Alzheimer's,
lost and in need of help.

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Also, I wanted to see if he
really did look like Father

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Jack.
So when I was no more than three

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paces past him, I turned to look
at his face and he was gone,

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Vanished into thin air in the
blink of an eye.

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Just like that young woman.
My blood ran cold for a second

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time.
I was now the only person on

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this side of the road, whilst
the other side remained as busy

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as ever.
There was simply nowhere for him

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to have gone.
No cars to duck behind, no

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doorways to dash into.
Nothing.

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I stood there for a while and
took in the scene across the

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road.
It didn't quite seem right.

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The colours looked more vivid
than they should be, certainly

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compared to my side, which
seemed so desaturated of colour

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as to almost be in grayscale.
These completely oblivious

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commuters seem to move
strangely, almost speed up, and

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everything looked a bit smudgy,
as if all of this was on the

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other side of a wall of wet
glass.

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That's the only way I can
describe it.

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What's more, it was clearly
still raining on the other side

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of the road, whilst my side was
bone dry.

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This divide, this apparent wall
between realities, seemed to

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reach all the way to the bend in
the distance, right down the

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line of the median, which was
less than 20 feet away, though I

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got the distinct feeling that it
was now inaccessible to me.

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Maybe it was the rising fear,
because I felt the sudden need

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to get the hell out of there.
I turned and walked very briskly

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toward the corner of the street
where I was relieved to see

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traffic on Bridge St. which
looked completely normal, even

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making eye contact with a driver
as I picked my way through it.

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Human acknowledgement, which was
of a huge comfort in that

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moment.
I turned left on the other side

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and jogged towards the bridge
before stopping to look back

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where I had been.
Barely 15 seconds had passed,

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but that part of Clarence St.,
impossibly, was now completely

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unremarkable, populated with
cars as it should be, just as

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the sidewalk was now full of
people marching home in both

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directions and apparently in the
rain.

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Whatever it was that I
experienced had either passed or

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could only be seen from within
Postscript.

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As I stood there on the end of
the bridge, I wondered what that

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old man, if he existed at all,
could have been pointing so

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intently at.
Not much had happened on that

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bridge in recent memory, but
there was a deeply traumatic

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event from my childhood that
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When I was about 6, circa 1985,
I was feeding the ducks with my

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mum and sister on the Bank of
the river, very close to the

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bridge.
There was a sudden.

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Hullabaloo on the other side,
shouting and screaming.

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A young woman had climbed over
the railings atop the bridge and

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was about to jump.
Despite the pleading from those

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around.
Just moments later she did so,

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fatally striking something hard
on her way to the water amid the

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crying and wailing of onlookers.
Some ran down to the bank and

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jumped in to try and reach her,
but it was in vain of saving her

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life.
It was too late.

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I remember my mother trying to
stop my sister and I from seeing

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it, trying to usher us away from
the ducks in this horrible

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scene, but in truth, we had all
seen everything already.

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I don't know.
Maybe it's not at all related to

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what I think of as a time slip.
Maybe it's not a time slip at

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all, but some other inexplicable
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All I know is I was young and
fit.

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No alcohol, no medication.
I had an appallingly easy desk

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job which left me neither tired
nor stressed.

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I wrote every detail of this
down when I got home, and though

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I have trod that same sidewalk
many hundreds of times since,

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nothing like it has repeated.
Izzy, thank you so much for

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letting me narrate your story on
the show.

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I am so sorry that you had to
witness that as a kid.

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That's so stressful.
Not not what you want to see as

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a kid.
So I'm sorry that you had to

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experience it.
I do think that it's fair to

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wonder if having seen that woman
take her own life, if maybe that

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impacted what you saw as an
adult walking down that same St.

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towards that same bridge.
I mean, whether that's trauma

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resurfacing or if there's
actually something unexplained

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or paranormal going on.
Because, you know, I mean,

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classic paranormal activity,
it's drawn to places that have

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trauma or sadness or violence or
death, you know, etcetera.

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Either way though is fair to
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I love a good time slip.
This is the first.

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I think this is the first time
slip that's been on the show.

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So woo exciting.
I love a good time slip.

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This story does not disappoint.
Not only is it fabulously

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written, but it's also so
spooky.

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It's so spooky because I don't
even, honestly, I don't know

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what I would do if that happened
to me.

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I don't know what I would do.
I would feel absolutely insane.

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And of course, if this is not
your first time listening to the

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show, oh, are you new?
Welcome, welcome, hello.

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It's good to have you.
Or if you have listened to the

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show many times, in which case,
welcome back.

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What I like to talk about is
that so many people are afraid

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that having had some sort of
unexplained experience means

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that they're crazy.
Air quotes.

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You can't see air quotes crazy.
Or that they're never going to

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be normal again and that they
are permanently damaged.

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They are permanently crazy.
They're insane.

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And of course this stuff is
crazy making, but that doesn't

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make you crazy.
That was good.

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That just happened.
That was it's crazy making.

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That doesn't make you crazy.
Someone else surely has thought

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of this prior to me, if not
TMTM, Madam Strangeways, All

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rights reserved, patent pending,
etcetera.

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But it would make me feel
insane.

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I would not know what to do with
myself if that happened to me.

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Now.
Did we confirm it definitely

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wasn't Father Ted?
Are we sure it wasn't him?

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I feel like we did establish it
in the story that it wasn't, but

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how?
What if it was?

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Would that make it even stranger
of a story if it actually was?

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Now I intended for this to be an
all time slips all the time

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episode where I talked all
about.

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Time slips, time slips, time
slips.

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But as usual, I did get pulled.
Down a ton of spooky.

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Historical rabbit holes along
the way, but I will save them

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for the end so that we can get
right to the good stuff.

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Time slips?
What is a time slip?

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Let's do it.
No time slipping through my

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fingers.
All the time slips, time slip

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after time slip.
That one doesn't work as well.

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It's fine a time slip.
It's not something you turn into

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HR or accounts payable.
I'll be here all week.

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It's much more, you might say
wibbly wobbly.

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It's much more wibbly wobbly
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A time slip is when a person or
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travel through time by unknown
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their original time very shortly
after, sometimes without even

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realizing that it happened until
they returned to the place that

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it happened to find it
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Before I give you some famous
examples of time slips, though,

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Put a pin in that.
Let's talk about what could have

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possibly happened to Izzy to
explain this now.

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That's what I like to do here on
the show.

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That's what we do here at Madam
Strange Ways.

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Me being the royal Strange we,
that's what we me.

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That's what I like to do.
That's what me like to do here.

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I love to discuss not only
paranormal theories, but also

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naturalistic explanations.
You know, like mundane

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explanations for all of the
strange stories on the show.

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But I'm going to keep it pretty
brief today.

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Because of all the rabbit holes.
All right, so.

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We're going to start with
naturalistic or mundane or

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skeptical etcetera theories.
So I think most skeptics would

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just suggest right off the bat
that it was an isolated

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hallucination.
I that I think any skeptic out

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there listening is thinking it
was a hallucination or maybe a

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false memory.
But we're going to go with

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hallucination, as I have said
countless.

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Times on the show, and we'll
continue.

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To say countless times more
hallucinations, wait countless

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times.
Hallucinations are far more

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common than most people realize,
and you don't have to be sick or

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mentally ill or crazy air quotes
again or anything else to have

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them.
Meaning hallucinations.

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They're super common.
Normal is maybe not the word,

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but common is the correct word
and they can be due to anything

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like starting or stopping a
medication or a supplement or.

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Maybe you have sleep
deprivation, although Izzy did

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say that he was healthy and not
on any medication and not

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stressed and not tired.
And Izzy, I believe you.

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I believed that you weren't
feeling stressed or tired or

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sick.
But I will say that it might

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surprise.
Some of you to learn that.

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You are so used to.
Ignoring your own body's needs

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and and it's cries for help that
feeling tired or stressed or

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unwell becomes your norm and you
don't even.

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Realize how tired or stressed or
unwell.

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That you are.
And it's not until you get

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relief that you realize what a
tough time you were having.

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I don't know that that's the
case here.

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I am not really suggesting that
it is.

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I am just mentioning it as an
observer and OK, maybe what I'm

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about to say does not
necessarily apply to this time

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slip, but look what I found in
my research that might have

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something to do with, if not
this time slip, other time

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slips.
A case file called A Unique Case

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of Dehydration related Psychosis
published by Physicians

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Postgraduate Press, Inc.
In a strange nutshell, it

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concludes that due to anecdotal
evidence that dehydration can

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lead to temporary psychosis,
including visual and auditory

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hallucinations, which resolves
when electrolytes are back in

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balance and the patient is
properly hydrated again.

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I'm always saying this, stay
hydrated.

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Staying hydrated doesn't just
mean drinking water or drinking

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a lot of water.
You got to get those

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electrolytes in, but not too
many electrolytes because sodium

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is an electrolyte and you don't
want to have too much sodium.

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It's so.
Hard striking a perfect balance.

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Now, Izzy, I trust that you
weren't in psychosis, even if

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you were just in temporary
dehydrated psychosis.

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But a skeptic would have to
wonder at what.

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Point of dehydration, would it
actually call cause

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hallucinations?
Is it the same level for

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everyone?
Like if if 500 people are all

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becoming dehydrated do some of
them start to hallucinate

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earlier than others?
Like, because of, I don't know,

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science is hallucinating and
temporary psychosis something

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that could happen after too many
days of not enough water and

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then maybe bending the elbow at
the pub or having a cheeky

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canned gin and tonic with a
priest maybe.

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I mean if your potassium is low
enough potassium.

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'S a thing that matters.
So I started Googling.

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I started Googling about
potassium and then look at this.

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It's not potassium, but hold on,
look at this.

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Severe vitamin B12 deficiency
can.

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Also cause hallucinations.
What kids eat your vitamins?

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Take your vitamins.
What is what's B what?

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What BI?
Take B12 supplements so I don't

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know what foods have it.
I take them.

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You should take them.
I've never hallucinated from a

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lack of B12, but I was deficient
in B12 so I might have been

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close.
Maybe I was hallucinating and I

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didn't know.
That's so scary.

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All right, on to Pub Med.
Here's a case report titled

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severe asymptomatic hypokalemia
associated with prolonged

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licorice ingestion.
Licorice like the candy and then

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actually this.
Didn't come up when I was

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searching for potassium, but
Speaking of low potassium,

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apparently chronic licorice
ingestion first of all.

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Who outside of Scandinavia is?
Eating a a chronic amount of

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licorice?
I have to know, do you love

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licorice?
Are are you eating a chronic

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amount of licorice?
Let me know I'm out of

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strangeways@gmail.com Anyway,
Chronic.

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Licorice ingestion can
precipitate severe hypokalemia,

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which is low potassium, although
patients may remain

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asymptomatic.
This case report indicates that

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the severity of a patient's
clinical presentation depends on

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individual susceptibility, as
well as the dose and duration of

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licorice intake.
Izzy, are you a licorice fiend?

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Were you on a licorice kick?
Was licorice your hyperfixation

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snack around that time?
Let me know.

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Did I crack the case?
Let me know.

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I'm out of
strangeways@gmail.com.

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You know what?
Speaking of licorice, I've, I

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love salty foods.
I don't like the taste of

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licorice, but salty licorice I'm
like, I wish I liked licorice.

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So I could eat this salty
licorice.

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So weird.
I think it's weird.

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Sorry.
Oh, well, that's strange, you

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might say.
Oh, it's strange.

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This is Madam Strange Ways from
the future, Madam Future Ways.

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I kind of left out the most
relevant part to Izzy's story.

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So instead of trying to just
seamlessly put it in there so

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you didn't notice.
As always, I like to admit my

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mistakes.
I like to show you guys I am

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imperfect.
I mean depending on the day.

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So most relevant to Izzy's
specific situation, because of

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the horrific, traumatic thing
that he saw as a child, I now

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take you to the National
Library.

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Of medicine, so we're at pub.
Med and the article that we're

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looking at is Hallucinations and
Post traumatic stress Disorder.

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Insights from predictive coding.
I don't know what predictive

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coding means.
I don't think I need to

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understand because they have put
it here and a neat little

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abstract and a little
introduction that I'm going to

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read you now pause PTSD you if
if you've been here before,

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again, welcome back.
If you've been here before.

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I talk a lot about complex PTSD.
See PTSD, which comes from kind

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of prolonged childhood trauma,
not necessarily one event.

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Like if you are in a car wreck,
that would be PTSD.

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You can get PTSD from a car
wreck or obviously going to war.

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CPTSD is something that's like
prolonged overtime.

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But also there's acute stress
disorder which is the precursor

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to PTSD.
So acute stress disorder would

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be like from like 3 days to a
month.

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And if your symptoms extend past
that, then that becomes PTSD.

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Of course, PTSD sometimes
doesn't show up, you know, for a

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little bit, for a while after
something happens.

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It doesn't immediately happen.
And it's not really clear from

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Izzy's writing if Izzy had
experienced any other PTSD

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symptoms related to seeing that
woman jump off the bridge.

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TBD but I feel like this is
relevant.

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I can't believe I didn't mention
this.

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I was in the shower this morning
and I was like.

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Did I completely skip over this?
OK, I did.

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So here we go, introduction to
this study.

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Although hallucinations are not
part of the DSM 5 criteria for

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Post traumatic stress disorder
PTSD, auditory hallucinations

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are increasingly noted as a
feature of trauma and combat

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related PTSD.
OK I know it wasn't combat and I

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know that it's not specifically
hallucinations or auditory

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hallucinations.
OK, put a pin in.

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That Intrusive memory of a
traumatic event, often in the

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form of a visual image, is a.
Hallmark symptom of PTSD.

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Clinically, the presence of
auditory hallucinations is often

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synonymous with a psychotic
disorder.

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However, hallucinations in PTSD
often occur in the absence of

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clear delusions, formal thought,
disorganization, disorganized

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speech or behavior, thusly
ruling out a comorbid psychotic

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disorder like schizophrenia.
So it's not.

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So they're basically saying that
you're not having delusions,

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you're just having
hallucinations, and you're not

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acting like you have
schizophrenia, you're just

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having PTSD hallucinations.
But listen.

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It goes on.
It's just a few sentences.

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I'm skipping around.
That PTSD is considered a

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disorder of memory processing
and hallucinations and mutation

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of perception emphasizes the
possible interactions between

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memory and perception and their
disinteraction and generating

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psychotic departures from
consensual reality.

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OK, that sentence gets a little
thick for me, but I feel like

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I'm picking up what they're
putting down because say yes,

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yes, Izzy, you must have been on
that bridge dozens if not

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hundreds or thousands of times
since you saw that happen.

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However, if PTSD is considered a
disorder of memory, processing

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disorder being the keyword and
you're hallucinating a specific

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memory of something that you saw
that day, maybe Father Jack from

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Father Ted, maybe Father Jack.
Maybe you did see him as a kid.

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I mean, he's pointing at the
bridge and he's staring at it in

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horror, right?
Maybe that is something that you

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saw as a child and maybe that's
what you hallucinated that day,

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that rainy day.
I'm not saying this definitely

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was a hallucination.
I am just saying these are just

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the facts.
I am just the messenger.

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I am just the strange messenger.
All right, Madam.

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Strange ways from the future,
Outback to the Past.

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Which is funny because of what
I'm about to be talking about.

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OK.
Now that wraps up all the

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skeptical slash naturalistic
stuff.

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I think that was pretty.
Compelling though, you know?

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I mean, maybe Izzy has never
liked like Gresham was, not

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consuming A chronic amount of
it.

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Or maybe.
Izzy is the most well hydrated

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person and the planet, but I
feel like they were pretty

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compelling.
But now onto the spooky stuff,

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the paranormal, the unexplained.
This stuff kind of made my head

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hurt.
So let's just try, all right?

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Is a time slip just accidentally
stumbling into one of the

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possibly infinite universes that
could potentially have been

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created from the moment The Big
Bang banged?

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Like there's an infinite amount
of universes where No2 of you

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are living the exact same lives.
Just, you know, the universes

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aren't, you know, like perfectly
lined up, I guess.

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So they're not like all in align
neatly because, I mean,

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different choices are happening
and and you're a different

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person in those, but you're
still you, but you're not this

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you.
I mean, like what's being off a

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couple decades in the scheme of
things?

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I'm not really sure how one
would slip from 1 into the

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other.
I don't know the mechanics

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behind that, and I don't know
how they would get back again or

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if you could do it on purpose
instead of on accident, but

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that's basically.
The multiverse theory, which I

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could spend, you know, no less
than 17 episodes on.

452
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,880
So I'm forcing myself to move
on.

453
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,360
Also because it makes my.
Head hurt and then I started

454
00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:07,800
thinking about string theory,
which I also maybe the string

455
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,240
theory.
I picture them like little

456
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,560
spaghetti strands and how you
don't think it's sticky like

457
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,000
when they're cooked but then
dried, not dried.

458
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,120
But you know what I'm saying?
When they've been drained and

459
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:19,240
then they've been heated a
little so the waters anyway,

460
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,880
they get a little sticky because
of the starch.

461
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:24,840
And so maybe that's like
spaghetti strands and each

462
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,760
spaghetti strand is universe and
some of them stuck get stuck

463
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,640
together in certain points and
then they get unstuck and maybe

464
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,920
that's a time slip.
I don't know.

465
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,440
I think I just cracked the case,
guys.

466
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,560
What do you think?
Let me know, Madam Strange.

467
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,640
Waste at Gmail.
Dot com But what I really want

468
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,480
to know, and I always think this
about time slips, was that

469
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,440
Father Ted guy telling someone
his same time slip story but

470
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,920
from his POV like in his time
slip or like what about the

471
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,760
woman who saw?
OK, what about the woman who saw

472
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,080
Izzy disappear?
Or did she see Izzy disappear?

473
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,320
Did she just see him look
walking around looking crazy?

474
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,960
You know, I we don't know.
I will never know.

475
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,880
I wish we could ask those
people, OK.

476
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,800
And no, actually Speaking of
that, people do interact with

477
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,960
people in these time slips from
an earlier time.

478
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,000
Though it honestly just occurred
to me that none of these happen

479
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,280
where you slip into the future.
It's always slipping back into

480
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,160
the past.
Interesting.

481
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,720
There's something there.
But anyway, if we're interacting

482
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,440
with people from the past,
what's to say that we couldn't

483
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,800
accidentally say or do something
that would impact time like Back

484
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,240
to the Future or Back to the
Future?

485
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,520
Are there other movies like
Looper?

486
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,280
Is it Looper?
I don't know other time travel

487
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,800
movies like that.
What if you accidentally do

488
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,040
that?
Like what if we had a time slip

489
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,400
that happened?
OK, OK, OK.

490
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,800
Here's what it is.
What if I had a time slip and I

491
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,360
saw my grandfather and then.
For whatever reason, stay with

492
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,640
me here because we're getting
somewhere with those.

493
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,920
I see my grandfather during a
time slip and then I kill my

494
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,880
grandfather.
Don't ask.

495
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,800
First of all, my both my
grandfathers are dead.

496
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:07,560
So this is a moot.
Point.

497
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,040
Let's just say it happens.
I've murdered my grandfather in

498
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,120
cold blood in the split seconds
of time that I am in a time

499
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:16,360
slip.
OK, bear with me.

500
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,000
But I couldn't kill him because
if I killed him then I wouldn't

501
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,560
have been able to have the time
slip in the 1st place.

502
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,040
Because if I killed him here,
then he wouldn't have been able

503
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,960
to.
I wouldn't be existing because

504
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,600
he would be dead.
But I guess if it's.

505
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,440
Different timelines.
Anyway, this is apparently

506
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,520
called the Grandfather paradox.
It's a whole thing from

507
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,480
Wikipedia.
A temporal paradox, time

508
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,080
paradox, or time travel paradox
is an apparent or actual

509
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,320
contradiction associated with
the idea of time travel or other

510
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,960
foreknowledge of the future.
This scenario is self

511
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,720
contradictory, specifically
regarding the grandfather

512
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,040
paradox.
One proposed resolution for this

513
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,640
paradox is that a time traveller
can do anything that did happen,

514
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,400
but cannot do anything that did
not.

515
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,640
Happen.
My head hurts.

516
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,720
Another proposed resolution is
simply that time travel is.

517
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,760
Impossible.
Oh, OK.

518
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,520
I mean, I guess that does kind
of neatly wrap that all up.

519
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,400
Is that time travel is not
possible.

520
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,040
OK, sure.
And yet some people think that

521
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,920
like everything else that they
see wrong with the world, that

522
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,120
time slips are because of
demons.

523
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,000
Demons.
It's never demons.

524
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,960
Don't make me be all House MD
about this.

525
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,720
OK.
It's never demons, never demons.

526
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,800
And there's not going to be an
episode where it actually is

527
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,320
demons.
That's not going to happen.

528
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,320
Not right here, partner.
Hey.

529
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,680
It's me again, Madam Strange
Ways from the future future more

530
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,520
future than the last Madam
Strange Ways that Madam Strange

531
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,560
ways was basically from the past
compared to this Madam Strange

532
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,600
ways.
Anyway, give this 32nd trailer

533
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,160
for a fellow spooky podcast to.
Listen, and then maybe give the

534
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,080
show a listen too.
And then we'll be back to our

535
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,840
regularly scheduled Spooky
Strange podcast content.

536
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,320
Here we go.
If you're anything like me,

537
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,000
you're always hunting for
stories that make your skin

538
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,200
crawl in the best way.
That's why I have to tell you

539
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,560
about Grimly.
Every week, they dig into the

540
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,320
unholy, the unsolved, and the
deeply unsettling, from chilling

541
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,920
true crime to eerie tales that
blur the line between fact and

542
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,280
folklore.
The production is hauntingly

543
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,320
good, the storytelling
absolutely captivating.

544
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,480
It's the kind of podcast that
stays with you long after you

545
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,240
finish listening.
So if you're ready to explore

546
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,360
the darker side of history and
humanity, subscribe to Grimly

547
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,320
wherever you get your podcasts.
Just don't say I didn't warn

548
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,400
you.
And Madam Strange ways from the

549
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,640
future out again.
But here are some famous time

550
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,200
slips that I mentioned earlier.
Remember that pen?

551
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,600
We're back.
Here are some famous time slips

552
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,240
that you should.
Definitely read up on if you

553
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,920
want to know more.
And for some reason, Liverpool

554
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,960
and Suffolk in the United
Kingdom have a huge amount of

555
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,880
time slips compared to other
locations.

556
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,160
Is it Ley lines?
A thinner veil?

557
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,920
LSD.
Maybe it's proximity to fish and

558
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,600
chips?
Who can say?

559
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,480
All right, here we go.
In 1957, Suffolk, UK, three

560
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,720
soldiers walked into a village
called Kersey and ended up might

561
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,200
be Kersey.
I didn't look that up.

562
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,800
Anyway, they ended up finding
themselves temporarily

563
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,560
transported to medieval England
In 19 O1, two women in

564
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,680
Versailles were transported back
to 1744 and spotted none other

565
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,000
than Marie Antoinette.
Because of course, because of

566
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,440
course they did.
You know, when people talk

567
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,360
about, oh, I did past life
regression, which never, by the

568
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:45,160
way, if you're listening to
this, do not ever do any sort of

569
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,200
past life regression.
Never do any sort of hypnosis,

570
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,200
anything, memory reclamation.
Don't do it.

571
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,080
Don't do it.
Just don't do it.

572
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,880
Don't let someone into your head
like that.

573
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,840
Let's just not do it anyway.
People that do it with the past

574
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,760
life regression, they're always
a queen, you know, or or a

575
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,840
Princess or a king and they're
never.

576
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:14,080
Just.
Some guy you know, struggling to

577
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,440
eat.
So I was like Cleopatra, OK.

578
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,080
Anyway.
Most famously in Bold Street,

579
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:25,120
Liverpool from Medium.
On a sunny day in July 1996, an

580
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,080
off duty policeman named Frank
hi Frank went shopping with his

581
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,480
wife Carol.
Hi Carol in Liverpool city

582
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,560
centre.
His wife went to Dylan's

583
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,920
bookshop, but Frank noticed the
street was cobbled where it

584
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,160
never had been before, and
instead of modern clothes,

585
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,640
people wore clothes from the
1950s.

586
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,760
Crossing the road, Frank saw in
place of Dylan's.

587
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,600
Bookshop.
There was a large store.

588
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,560
With the name Cripps over its
two entrances and a window

589
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,320
display containing women's
handbags and shoes, Frank saw a

590
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,720
young woman dressed in the
clothes of the mid 90s.

591
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,280
She also carried a bag branded
with Miss Selfridge, a store

592
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,880
that was not in Liverpool in the
1950s.

593
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,280
This modern girl entered Cripps
looking baffled.

594
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,880
And then suddenly, the whole
street scene reverted to 1996.

595
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,840
Frank asked the young woman if
she saw the same things he had

596
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,440
seen.
She said she had and seemed

597
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,320
frightened.
Later it transpired that a

598
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,920
woman's Outfitters called Crips
had indeed stood on the site of

599
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,520
Dylan's bookshop in the 1950s.
Spooky.

600
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,440
That's spooky.
And that's a truncated version.

601
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,240
That is a abridged version of
that story.

602
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,280
So you can go to Medium, or you
can just Google Liverpool Time

603
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,040
slip and you're going to find a
bunch of different people

604
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,480
telling the story.
I think that's probably the most

605
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,920
famous time slip story.
Anyway, now it's time for my

606
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,680
accidental strange dive.
Into this particular time slip.

607
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,720
Just what everyone's been
waiting for.

608
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,040
All right, all right, so we're
in the United Kingdom.

609
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,840
By the way, did you know that
the United Kingdom is actually

610
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,280
short for the United Kingdom of
Great Britain in Northern

611
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,800
Ireland?
Which is the longest?

612
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,440
Country name in the world we're
in Great Britain.

613
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:02,440
Here we go.
Hold on.

614
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,040
Wherein Great Britain represents
England, Wales and Scotland.

615
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,440
Wales, which was never a Kingdom
but was conquered by the

616
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,199
English, well, the Normans.
That's.

617
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,280
Fine splitting hairs and also
Scotland which was a Kingdom and

618
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,679
England did try and fail to
conquer them with brute.

619
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:19,719
Force.
But in true English fashion, in

620
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,800
which I think any English
listeners will agree, England

621
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,440
ultimately conquered Scotland
via underhanded bureaucracy.

622
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,120
The whole of Ireland used to be
part of the United Kingdom until

623
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,679
Northern Ireland, full of
Protestants and the Republic of

624
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,199
Ireland, full of Catholics broke
up, citing irreconcilable

625
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:37,800
differences.
OK, here we go.

626
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,199
We're coming back out of the
rabbit hole.

627
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,960
Just there's just, there's one
last thing.

628
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,840
OK?
This is a comment I found on

629
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,400
guardian.co.uk in my rabbit hole
research and this is a comment

630
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,280
by Marin Jones in Brixton.
In his Seminole treatise, what

631
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,000
is a nation?
Boring.

632
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,440
It sounds so boring, right?
Hold on, just hold on.

633
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:58,760
In his Seminole treatise, What
is a Nation?

634
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,560
The French philosopher and
writer Ernest Renan.

635
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,520
I feel like it's Renan Winningly
suggested.

636
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,520
That a nation is a group of
people united by a mistaken view

637
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,480
about the past and a hatred of
their neighbors.

638
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,960
It just seemed really fitting to
me.

639
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,480
OK, right.
Where were we?

640
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,520
All right, all right, all right,
all right, all right.

641
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,720
We're in the UK, England.
OK, we're in Surrey.

642
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,240
Which must have good Curry.
We are also.

643
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,960
In specifically Stains upon
Thames, it's about an hour's Dr.

644
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,680
Westy Southie from London.
OK, sorry.

645
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:30,840
Hold.
On I just got to go in a brief

646
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,680
little rabbit hole.
Found this gym on the Wikipedia

647
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,840
page for stains, which is the
place where this happened.

648
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,480
At the end of the 20th century,
Stains became infamous as the

649
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,880
hometown of the fictional film
and television character Ali G.

650
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,320
What although many local
residents felt that the town's

651
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,600
reputation was suffering through
its association with the

652
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,280
character.
Sasha Baron Cohen, the creator

653
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,600
of Ali G, praised Staines for
being a lovely leafy middle

654
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,360
class suburb where Swans swim
under the beautiful bridge.

655
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,360
Partly in response to the
reaction to the character,

656
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,040
Spelthorne Borough Council voted
in 2011 to add the suffix upon

657
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,080
Thames to the official name of
the town, so it used to be

658
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,320
called Staines.
Now it's called Stains upon

659
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,800
Thames, all because of Sasha
Baron Cohen, my wife.

660
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,160
I know that's not allergy.
It's fine.

661
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,040
We're continuing.
Back to the strangeness and

662
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,800
researching the bridge.
That's in the story which come

663
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,360
to find is called Stainsbridge,
but not stains upon Thames

664
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,880
Bridge, just Stainsbridge.
I Google mapped it and I saw it.

665
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,680
What should I discover in this
research?

666
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,800
But the fact that there was a
Roman Rd. built in the 1st

667
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,200
century called the Devil's Hwy.
That used to run across the

668
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,560
Thames at Staines, then called
Pontase by the Romans.

669
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,160
It wasn't called Staines, it was
called Pontase by the Romans

670
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,240
connecting it to.
London, which the Romans called

671
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:56,120
Londinium, by the way.
But what are you talking about?

672
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,840
Devil's Hwy.
Come on, How close was the

673
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,200
Devil's Hwy. to this event?
How close was the Devil's Hwy.

674
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,280
to this time slip?
I got really excited.

675
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,200
OK, I got really excited and so
I started.

676
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,320
Going down the rabbit hole here
you.

677
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,920
Go Dragon, you're kicking and
screaming.

678
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,000
Let's go.
But unfortunately it looks like

679
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,720
the reason it's called Devil's
Highway.

680
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:19,800
Is that medieval folk who
encountered the long abandoned

681
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,360
Roman Rd. thought that only the
devil himself?

682
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,640
Could create infrastructure so
straight and exact.

683
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,720
It's funny because it's 2026 and
actually we're still doing this,

684
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,200
but with the pyramids and
aliens.

685
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,760
I guess it's actually not that
funny.

686
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,600
And by the way, don't get the
Devil's Hwy. confused with the

687
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,040
Devil's Causeway, which is
another Roman Rd. up north in

688
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,000
Northumberland in northern
England.

689
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,720
But there do seem to be at least
two Devil's Highways in London.

690
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,560
Devil's Highways?
Would that be like Attorneys

691
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,600
General?
So that be just like Devil's

692
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,440
Hwy.
Nope, because that's just all

693
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,320
right.
Anyway, there seem to be at

694
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,080
least two Devil's Highways.
In London, the other being a

695
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,800
road called A-666-UP in
Manchester.

696
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,960
What?
No question where that street

697
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,560
got its name.
To be clear, that's where it got

698
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,040
its name.
Is it 666?

699
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,560
Which is so metal.
And while we're just varying.

700
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,040
Slightly off topic, there also
was a route. 666.

701
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,040
Or Route 666.
Now, I don't know how I would

702
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,600
have normally said it anyway.
There was a Route 666 instead of

703
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,920
Route 66.
It was actually an offshoot of

704
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,120
Route 66, but it was Route 666
in the United States, which was

705
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,600
renamed boringly to Routes 491
and 191.

706
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,400
But not just because of Satan,
Satan, Satan, but because people

707
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,440
kept stealing the signs.
They kept stealing the. 666

708
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,440
Route 666, they kept stealing
the signs because they're so

709
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,640
cool, so they had to rename the
highway.

710
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,600
I loved that, and that was a
great fact.

711
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,680
All right, back to Surrey.
We're back to Surrey.

712
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,920
We're back in Staines,
specifically stains upon Thames.

713
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,600
The Thames, of course, being the
river that winds.

714
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,360
Through London.
All right, listen to this now.

715
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,520
I found this on surreylive.com
which is in.

716
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,680
Guildford so about. 30 minutes
drive South of Staines.

717
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,160
But listen, this sounds like a
time slip.

718
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,920
Ghost enthusiast Philip
Hutchinson said his favorite

719
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,320
story was only told to him
recently by a customer on one of

720
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,520
his ghost tours.
This is where you think I'm

721
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,920
going to try to do a Surrey
accent?

722
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,600
I sure don't know what that I'm
not even going to.

723
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,360
OK, maybe I'll give it a go.
No, I'm not going to give it a

724
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,560
go.
Nope, I'm not doing it.

725
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,160
This lady told me about when she
camped on Saint Catherine's Hill

726
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,360
with friends in the 1970s.
A steam train went past them and

727
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,040
people leaned out the window
shouting at them to get off the

728
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,640
line.
But steam trains did not run on

729
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,480
that line in the 1970s.
And also I immediately thought

730
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,080
of any accident which occurred
in the 1890s.

731
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,000
A steam train hit a cow on the
line and many people on board

732
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,120
were killed.
The lady was unaware of this

733
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,440
story, so my guess is that it
was related to the crash at

734
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,400
Peacemarsh as the line went past
the hill.

735
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,760
Peacemarsh.
That's the town name anyway.

736
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,240
Now, Izzy, you mentioned heading
towards Egham.

737
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,240
And I found this really cool
site that has an interactive map

738
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:21,920
that shows a bunch of paranormal
stuff in Great Britain called

739
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,040
Haunted hosts.com if you're in
the UK.

740
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,960
Specifically Great Britain I
assume.

741
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,120
Check out Haunted host.com
because I thought it was so much

742
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,440
fun.
When I pulled up stains there

743
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,480
was unfortunately nothing there
but.

744
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,320
Over in Egham.
Which is very close, just on the

745
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,640
other side of the Thames on the
other side of the Stains Bridge

746
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,200
where we saw this time slip.
Well, here I'll read it to you.

747
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,360
This is called.
The little man of Egham.

748
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,920
Which is already.
Why is that already spooky?

749
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,800
Hillside Villa in Egham, Surrey,
is home to a most unsettling

750
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,960
presence, the spirit of a child
murderer known as the Little

751
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,200
Man.
Footsteps echoing through the

752
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,880
night are said to be his, a
haunting reminder of the dark

753
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,920
history surrounding this villa.
The house was at the center of

754
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,920
three heated legal battles.
Between 1903 and 1907.

755
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,600
With the core question being
whether the property was fit for

756
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,680
human habitation given its
alleged paranormal activity.

757
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,600
And then it gives historical
context.

758
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,520
It says early 20th century
England amidst rising concerns

759
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,120
about property rights and
paranormal activity.

760
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,840
I feel like that sentence sounds
so boring and yet I am invested.

761
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,720
I'm all in now.
I did not go down a rabbit hole

762
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,760
about the little man to find out
more about this child murderer.

763
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,480
But if you know, if you know
anything about the little man,

764
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,760
are you the little man of Egham,
don't e-mail me.

765
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:52,960
Please don't never e-mail me.
Thanks very much.

766
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:59,160
OK, and finally we'll wrap up on
a somber note about suicide and

767
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,000
the Reverend Thames.
That actually does give me some

768
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,840
hope in humanity.
So it's not completely

769
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,840
depressing.
There's over 130 bridges that

770
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,040
cross the Thames.
According to an article in 2012

771
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:15,440
on thestandard.co.uk, an average
of 80 to 100 people lose their

772
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,480
lives in the River Thames every
year.

773
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,520
Police say about 80% of those
are by suicide, usually by

774
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,200
jumping off one of the mini
bridges that cross the Thames.

775
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,000
But between 2012 and 2025 those
numbers seem to have dropped

776
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,520
drastically.
But it's not necessarily suicide

777
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,600
attempts that have dropped,
although that might be true.

778
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,120
I couldn't find any data to
support that, but specifically

779
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,720
I'm referencing the fact that
London has reduced deaths from

780
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:44,720
suicide attempts of the Thames.
So there may be the same amount

781
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:48,520
of attempts, but London has
taken great lengths to reduce

782
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,440
the amount of deaths from those
attempts.

783
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,600
This is on The Sunday Times by
Lucy Kenningham.

784
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,400
About 27 people each year die by
suicide in the Thames.

785
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,800
It would be more if not for the
fast response times of the Royal

786
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,440
National Lifeboat Institution's
lifeboat station and the work of

787
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,600
the Metropolitan Police's boat
teams.

788
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,520
Bridge Watch, a volunteer
project, is non religious and is

789
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,280
open to anyone.
It's teams of volunteers walk

790
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,720
around the bridges and
embankments of central London

791
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,000
hoping to intervene if someone
looks like they are about to end

792
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,960
their life.
Many people do not plan to jump

793
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,640
from a bridge.
While suicide can of course be

794
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,280
premeditated, the instinct to
self destruct also often occurs

795
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,280
in a moment of distinct
distress, a loss event as

796
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,800
researchers call it, such as a
death, a relationship breakdown,

797
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,000
or the loss of a job or a home.
And I just thought that was so

798
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,200
heartwarming that this bridge
watch situation, that it happens

799
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,080
and it's volunteers.
So hey, if you're in the London

800
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,080
area.
And you want to do something

801
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,960
nice for your community.
If you want to do some some

802
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,480
volunteering, check out Bridge
Watch.

803
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,080
And if you do start volunteering
for Bridge Watch, which by the

804
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,360
way, I think what they like,
they wear these like special,

805
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,920
you know, like vests, like bibs
or something.

806
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,760
And they basically just like
walk up and down the bridge just

807
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,480
keeping an eye on people.
Like, what are they doing?

808
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,160
What's that guy doing?
He's staring off into the

809
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,320
distance, you know.
Oh God, what's?

810
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,400
Happening and they just go up
there and they talk to them.

811
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,920
So if you actually end up
volunteering for Bridge Watch, I

812
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,440
want to hear about it. e-mail me
madamstrangeways@gmail.com.

813
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,160
If I was in the London area,
you'd probably catch me on

814
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,560
Bridge Watch.
Izzy, honestly, maybe this will

815
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,840
make you feel better about what
you experienced.

816
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,120
You know, and as a child, it
might not be easy right away,

817
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,280
but you know, maybe it would
bring you some relief or some

818
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,080
comfort to know that you can
make a difference in someone

819
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,680
else's life, even if you
witnessed that woman in your

820
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,120
childhood be unable to be saved.
So again, guys, just a reminder,

821
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,520
if you or someone you know is
struggling with suicidal

822
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,880
ideations, seriously, this is a
great website at

823
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,560
findahelpline.com you can put in
any country.

824
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,720
It'll tell you exactly who to
contact.

825
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,160
But of course, as most of my
listeners are in the US and

826
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,000
Canada, you can dial or text
988.

827
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,800
How convenient is that?
You can text and then there's no

828
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,280
pressure.
You don't have to talk to

829
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,560
someone on the phone.
You just text him 988 and

830
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,720
listen.
I might not be qualified, but if

831
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:16,280
you're having a hard time and
you just want to talk to a

832
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,920
stranger about it, you can
e-mail me

833
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,280
madamstrangeways@gmail.com.
I would love to hear from you.

834
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,440
And Izzy again.
Thank you so much for allowing

835
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,560
me to Share your story on the
show.

836
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:42,990
Remember that you can feel
afraid and not be in danger.

837
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:47,110
You're safe here with me,
probably.

838
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:49,270
Thank you for joining me for
more True.

839
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:51,630
Strange stories of the
unexplained.

840
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,480
I'm running A1 Madam show here
so please do me a strange solid

841
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,600
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Leave me a rating on Apple or.

842
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:03,320
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843
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,800
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844
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,680
Strangeways is produced and
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845
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,320
Strangeways.
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846
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:16,520
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847
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,320
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848
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,120
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849
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,960
author.
You can submit your own true

850
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,400
strange story to
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851
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,440
See you soon, she said
ominously.

852
00:47:00,510 --> 00:47:04,430
Oh, wait a minute.
OK, Tylenol break.

853
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:32,530
ASMR Tylenol break OK.
Just some strange ASMR for you.