Doppelganger or La Tunda? | True Unexplained Spooky Stories | Ep #29

Explore this true paranormal story about a doppelgänger taking the form of ivanx29's mother. Or was it La Tunda? Join Madame Strangeways for some spooky folklore from Honduras and Central America / South America.
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Experience with a doppelganger
by Ivan X-29 To this day, this
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story has puzzled me to no end.
I should say from the very
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beginning that I was really
young, but I remember this
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incident vividly because of how
scared I felt.
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And my parents have confirmed
some aspects of this story.
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So some background.
Born and raised in Miami to
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Honduran parents.
So being Hispanic, spiritualism
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and religion sort of walk hand
in hand for some.
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I grew up in an apartment
building with a huge front yard.
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My mother would let me play
outside with our front door open
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because she could easily keep an
eye on me, and the front yard
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was completely fenced so I
couldn't wander into the street.
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So on this particular day, I'm
playing outside like any other
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normal day and I remember that
my mom is inside cooking like
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always.
Our front door is open and I
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know for sure that my mom is
inside, but that's when I hear
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it.
Someone is calling out to me.
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I look around and I don't see
anyone, so I continue to play.
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But then I hear it again,
someone trying to get my
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attention.
I look towards the end of our
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front yard and behind the fence
I see my mom.
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She's standing there waving and
smiling at me, trying to get me
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to go to her.
I start laughing and running
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towards her because here I am
thinking we were playing a game
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as I'm closer to this person.
Something doesn't feel right,
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like something is telling me not
to trust this person.
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But I'm torn because I'm looking
straight at my mother.
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It's her voice, her face, even
the distinct white streak of
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hair my mom has that contrasts
her jet black hair.
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But still, something doesn't
feel right.
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I asked her what she's doing on
the other side of the fence, and
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she tells me that we have to go,
that I need to follow her now.
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She starts to walk towards the
fence door, and I begin to
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follow her.
Almost entranced, she begins to
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tell me how much she loves me
and that we need to leave
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together.
As we get closer to the fence
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door, she starts to tell me that
I have to open it and walk out
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to be with her.
I don't know what overcame me
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but I said no.
This upset my mom and her
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demeanor changed.
She starts to yell that I had to
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do it, that we needed to be
together and now this scares me
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and I began to cry and then I
hear it.
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My mom's voice coming from my
house asking where I am.
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I run towards my house bawling
in hysterics.
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I see my real mother and I hug
her and I tell her what
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happened.
I tell her about the lady that
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looked like her trying to get me
to leave and I just remember my
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mom hugging me and telling me
that it was just in my
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imagination.
Years later, this incident comes
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up in a conversation I'm having
with my parents, and my mom is
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completely amazed that I
remembered all of it so vividly.
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She also adds that weird things
used to happen in that building,
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and that she suspects that the
only reason that thing couldn't
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get into the property was
because of an old Cuban lady
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that lived next to us.
You see, it turns out that she
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practiced Santeria and she was
constantly blessing the grounds.
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So honestly, shout out to that
Lady.
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Here's where things take a very
interesting turn.
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While me and my mom are
reminiscing about what happened,
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my father is completely silent
and when we finished, he's in
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shock.
He didn't know about this
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happening to me and he proceeds
to tell us that when he was a
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child in Honduras, the same
thing happened to him.
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A woman that looked like my
grandmother would sometimes go
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by his house and tell him that
they needed to leave to be
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together.
My father is your typical male,
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everything by the book, no
nonsense, very skeptical about
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all of this stuff.
But at that moment, I saw fear
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in him.
When you're no nonsense skeptic
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dad goes pale hearing a story
from your childhood, it's not
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good.
It's never good, is it?
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That's always, I agree with you.
That's always like the most
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chilling point.
Like if you remember something
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from your childhood that's
scary.
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Like, OK, we all had terrifying
childhoods.
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I feel like.
I feel like if you didn't have
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some sort of mildly terrifying
thing that happened to you in
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childhood, you have blocked it
out of your memory or you are an
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alien or like an Android and you
aren't aware because children,
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childhood is terrifying.
OK, period.
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Stop.
Like end of end of sentence.
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Childhood is terrifying.
So, you know, like if your mom
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is kind of freaked out by
something, I feel like that's
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fair.
I feel like, you know, without
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getting into gender norms and
broad generalizations or
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generalizations about Broads AO
without getting too much into
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that, I will say I think
typically you do find mothers
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are a little bit more open, you
know, to the woo woo than Dad's,
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right?
I think that is like a
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stereotype.
Dad's no nonsense, you know, Oh,
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go back to sleep, right.
Like in the last episode where
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you've got the partner who's
being woken up saying, I think I
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hear someone in the house and he
goes, oh, shut up, go back to
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sleep.
I'm tired.
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Grumble, grumble.
So when your dad hears a scary
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story that he didn't hear about
from your childhood and is only
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hearing about now and he it
looks like he just saw a ghost,
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like that's going to ruin your
day hearing whatever it is that
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he has to say.
Kind of in like a if you if you
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listen to this, if you listen to
this show, it's going to ruin
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your day in the best way, but
still kind of traumatizing to
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hear that that is so scary.
Like it's first of all, pause
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the whole the whole story is
scary.
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But then hearing that your dad
experienced the same thing in
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his childhood in a different
country in Honduras that's so
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far away from Miami.
Like in terms of spirits, like,
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did it, is this, is this the
same spirit?
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Did it follow the family?
Just there's so many questions.
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But first of all, what is this?
Is it a doppelganger?
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I know we've all heard that word
before.
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I've even talked about them on
the show.
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But there's more than one kind
of doppelganger.
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They're not all German, so
doppelganger the phrase is a
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borrow word from German.
And I know I love talking about
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umlauts.
Like there should be an umlaut
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on this word.
Well there is on the word
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doppelganger over the AI don't
fully understand the purpose of
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an umlaut.
I just like the aesthetic of
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them.
So the word in German
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doppelganger means double goer
and the term itself is coined in
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the late 18th century.
However, the concept of a
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doppelganger, the concept of
seeing someone who looks exactly
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like someone else but isn't them
and in general is also kind of a
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bad vibe that goes back
thousands of years all the way
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back to ancient Egypt where
they've got the Ka, which is
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like, this is how it's
described, an invisible twin
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spirit that mirrored the
physical body.
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I don't fully track it, but you
can tell that this goes back
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really far because remember
around zero ad.
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Now listen, this is not, these
are not, these are not solid
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numbers.
I'm not trying to get derailed
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here.
I'm just saying this is kind of
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how I remember where things in
history happened.
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Around 0AD you had Cleopatra,
right?
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And then around like over 2000
years before that, the ancient
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pyramids were built and they
weren't ancient at the time.
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Anyway, all to say, that goes
back really far.
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OK, so humans have had the
concept of a doppelganger just
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using different terms forever.
And it also crosses cultures.
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You've got mentions of them
obviously in Egypt.
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You've got them in European, all
over Europe, Africa, all over
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Africa.
We've even talked about
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specifically the Norse Vadoga in
a previous episode, 1 of the
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early episodes I talked about
that type of doppelganger
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specifically, which is one of
the non malicious doppelgangers
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that is someone that appears,
well, it's a doppelganger that
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appears kind of before the real
person shows up.
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So you think you hear someone
arrive home, you hear all of the
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sounds they normally make.
You hear the door shut and then
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you're like hey, hello.
And they're not home.
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And then 20 minutes later they
come home and make the exact
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same sounds.
But that was the Vadoga arriving
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before they did anyway.
Then you've also like, you've
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got all these different kinds.
And most of them, though, are
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generally, most doppelgangers,
are generally harbingers of
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death or doom.
They're not good.
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I've also read, you know, of
course, you know how
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spiritualism and and the rule of
3 is really big, right?
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So if you see a doppelganger 3
times, it means you or someone
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else is going to die.
That's bad news.
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Okay, but listen, does that
kind, does that sound like the
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story that we just heard?
Because to me, it doesn't to me,
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the concept of a doppelganger is
obviously like, yes, that's in
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this story because I even saw
his mom, Ivan, you saw your mom
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complete with that like white
streak of, of hair.
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You know, you know, it was her.
You know what your mom looks
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like.
Even when you're a kid, you, you
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know what your mom looks like.
So yes, that aspect is kind of
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doppelgangery.
However, because this story
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happened in Miami, FL to an
Andre and family and especially
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in Miami where you've got 70% of
the city is Latino and so I
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don't think we should be looking
at German concepts of
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doppelgangers.
You know, I feel like let's look
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at what's going on in South
America with regards to
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doppelgangers and of course
they're not called doppelgangers
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there because that's a German
word, although maybe in
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Argentina.
OK, we're not going to get into
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it.
Let's stay focused.
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So y'all, my jaw dropped when I
did just a little bit of
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research into this dropped.
So I ran across something called
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La Tunda who is a shape shifting
entity who resembles a human
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woman that lures people into
forests and keeps them there.
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OK Ding Ding Ding.
I'm at this point I'm reading
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this entry and I'm like, this is
it.
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But hold on because because get
a load of this.
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La Tunda is described as being
capable of changing its shape to
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appear in the form of a loved
one, such as in the likeness of
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a child's mother to lure its
victims into the forest and feed
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them with shrimp.
OK, well, hold on.
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We're going to.
Let's pause because holy crap.
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That's exactly what happened.
I don't know if there was shrimp
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involved.
OK, so I shouldn't have read
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that far.
I should have paused for
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dramatic effect after a child's
mother, because that's crazy.
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The La Tunda can shape shift
into the likeness of a child's
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mother to lure its victims.
That's crazy, like jaw on the
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floor like that's her, that's
our girl.
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That's exactly who Ivan saw is a
la Tunda.
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I guess I would say listen, it
also just says in English la
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Tunda.
So we're just going to roll with
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it.
So la Tunda apparently though
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keep this in mind.
Her shape shifting abilities are
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not perfect, so you may think,
what is the nose different?
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No, no, no La Tunda.
La Tunda has a wooden lake which
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is in the shape of a moneal,
which is a wooden kitchen
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utensil used to stir hot drinks
such as chocolate or agua
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panella.
OK, that's really, that's really
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specific and strange, but
apparently Latunda wants to hide
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that.
And so it, you know, wants to
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make sure that you can't see
It's it's it's wooden spoon
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like.
But here's the thing.
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This is what killed me.
When Ivan saw his mom, it was on
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the other side of a fence.
Bro.
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She came down in a bubble dog.
Like she was on the other side
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of a fence.
And so presumably the fence
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would at least partially obscure
her legs.
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Isn't that crazy?
That's crazy.
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Oh my God.
Like the only thing that's not
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100% exact to the concept of la
tunda is the shrimp.
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Like Ivan, let me know.
Ivan, send me Adm let me know if
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there was shrimp involved.
Like did she promise you shrimp?
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Did she didn't try to entice you
with shrimp, Although I guess
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it's possible that like once she
gets you into the forest at that
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point, that's when she's feeding
you shrimp.
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And supposedly the concept of
the reason she's feeding you
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shrimp is to keep you docile.
I don't know is that is that is
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shrimp known for making people
tussle?
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I and also like I'm saying,
docile and I'm like, is it
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docile?
Well, e-mail me at
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madamstrangeways@gmail.com.
Let me know how you how you
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pronounce that word.
But also I'm going to just be a
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12 year old boy for a second
because it specifies that the
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shrimp is specifically referred
to as camarones pinedos.
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I don't know if I pronounce that
right.
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And I was like, what does that
mean?
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Like I just kind of want to know
what kind of shrimp that is.
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So I plug it into Google
Translate, which is way better
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than it used to be.
But apparently, like La Tunda
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with its shape shifting ability,
it is also imperfect because why
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did I put in Camorones Pinedos
and it said that the English
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translation is penis shrimp.
Penis shrimp.
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Yep, That's not the translation.
It's actually referring to like
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penne de like it's Latin, like
it's a type of it's like tiger
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prawns.
It's like the family of shrimp
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that involves tiger prawns.
So I don't know why it
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translated, but it's just not
what I was expecting.
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So that's not that's that has
nothing to do with it.
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It's just shrimp or prawns.
So honestly this sounds like a
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pretty good time.
I don't know why she needs to
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lure you to the forest.
She could just say like with the
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price of groceries, shrimp is a
luxury item at this point.
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Especially prawns like tiger
prawns.
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You don't need to lure anyone.
You just need to say free prawns
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in the forest and come on.
I'm there, I'm there.
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Well, you know what?
BYOCSI will bring my own
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cocktail sauce and lemons.
I'm there.
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I don't think it sounds like a
very bad time.
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Oh, except that the reason that
she's luring you and the reason
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that she is wanting to keep you
docile question mark, I think is
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to suck your blood and devour
you whole.
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So that doesn't sound like a
good time.
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You know, maybe she's feeding
you shrimp because she wants you
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to be tasty and and well, I
don't think it's very fattening.
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I think it's got a lot of salt.
That's what it is.
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She's trying to flavor you from
the inside.
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You eat a lot of shrimp.
It's a very rich food.
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OK, OK, I'm following.
I can't blame her.
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So that's, that's the, that's La
Tunda.
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So an entity who shape shifts
into loved ones, potentially
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children's mothers, to lure its
victims into the forest to feed
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them shrimp and then devour them
and suck their blood.
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God forbid a woman has hobbies.
I don't see the problem.
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You know, what is it?
What is it?
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Ebenezer says.
And decrease the surplus
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population because also, by the
way, I should have mentioned
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that in some versions of
Latunda, it specifically only
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appears to male loggers or
hunters.
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And it's like luring them away
from a work site or, you know,
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from their hunting grounds and
it's going to eat them.
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So, you know, all right, there's
come on, she's branching out.
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So related to Latunda, I don't
think this is it, but I'm going
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to share it because it's
interesting.
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There's also Lepatosola, which
translates, I think, to single
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leg.
So like, what is it?
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Hold on.
Why are there all of these
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supernatural female entities
that either have one leg or they
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have a wooden leg?
What is it with the legs?
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It's very confusing.
So the patasola, which I don't
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think this is it because it does
not say that it appears in the
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form of like a mom.
Well, hold on.
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Here's what it does say is that
the patasola appears in the form
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of a beauty.
This is this is Wikipedia.
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The patasola appears in the form
of a beautiful, seductive woman,
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often in the likeness of a loved
1.
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So hold on, hold on, she's
trying to lure men away from
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his, lure men away from their
companions deep into the jungle,
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where of course she will then
reveal her true hideous
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appearance as A1 legged creature
with a ferocious vampire like
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lust for human flesh and blood.
What is this Rob Zombie?
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Who is this irresistible
creature who has an insatiable
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love for the dead?
But let's go back to how it says
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the patasola appears in the form
of a beautiful, seductive woman,
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often in the likeness of a loved
one.
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What are y'all doing?
Don't do that.
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I I just don't know that there
should be a comma like the
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patasola appears in the form of
a beautiful, seductive woman
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comma in the likeness of a loved
one.
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No, stop the I there shouldn't
be there shouldn't be the same
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thought.
It's either like a beautiful,
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seductive woman.
Maybe, maybe or maybe we need an
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or there or the like miss of a
loved 1.
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I don't I don't love it.
I don't love that.
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But not getting let's not get
hung up on it.
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Here's the thing.
So the Pedisola's most notable
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feature from which her name
derives is her one leg, which by
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the way, is not just a normal
leg.
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It at the instead of a foot, she
has a cleaved bovine like hoof.
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OK.
Oh, OK.
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Why?
But also, she's very quick and
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she can get around in the forest
really easily.
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But this is obviously the
Petasola is not what we're
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dealing with here.
OK, Like if, if we had to pin
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this on some sort of entity, it
would have to be La Tunda,
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right?
Come on.
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So not only did Ivan encounter
La Tunda, but Ivan's dad, we're
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going to call him Ivan senior.
Ivan senior also experienced La
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Tunda in Honduras.
Now, OK, La Tunda is apparently
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specific to Colombia and
Ecuador, but I mean, like, that
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doesn't mean anything, you know?
Like what?
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So she can't take a vacation.
She can't do an eat, pray, love
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kind of situation.
Like what?
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Why?
Why not?
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She's a hard working.
She's a hard, she's a hard
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working woman out here.
You know, come on.
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She's just trying to keep things
fresh.
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So maybe she takes a little trip
over to Honduras and then meet
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your dad.
And then is it the same La
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Tunda?
Is it the same one that follows
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you to Miami and tries to get
in?
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That's creepy.
Like it's, it's kind of, I don't
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know.
What's scarier is that there's
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enough of these that you've
encountered 2 separate ones or
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that it's one that's like a
haunting your family.
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And then Ivan, if you ever have
a child, you better keep an eye
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on that kid.
You got to tell that kid this
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story.
Go ahead, tell them from an
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early age, if you see someone
who looks like your mom, it's
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probably not your mom.
How do you how do you prepare
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them for this without
traumatizing them?
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So I don't know, let's think
about it.
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There's got to be, there's got
to be some.
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I guess you just tell the story.
I guess that's the point of
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telling these stories, right?
It's to keep people in line.
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So I don't know.
We got to figure out how to warn
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your future children should you
ever choose to have children.
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Because doesn't sound good.
Doesn't sound like a fun time.
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Now your neighbor, the one that
was from Cuba who practiced
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Santeria?
Now, if you know me, if you've
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been here for a previous
episode, you probably know that
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I have a problem with having to
sing song lyrics as soon as I
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hear a word that reminds me of a
song, even if it's not actually
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the word from the song.
So let me tell you, ever since
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reading this story out loud and
then having to revisit the story
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I have had, I don't practice
Santeria.
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I ain't got no crystal ball, but
I do have a crystal ball because
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that's my whole thing is that I
use a crystal ball in order to
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see to the mysteries of the
ether and beyond the veil.
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So I guess it doesn't really
fit, but it's been in my head,
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so I don't practice Santeria.
Now, if you're curious, what is
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Santeria?
So Santeria is incredibly
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complex and there's a lot of
stuff, a lot of moving parts.
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I am not an expert, however, I
believe it's incredibly
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important to acknowledge
Santeria's rich history and
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cultural significance,
especially because it is often
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misunderstood and also kind of
villainized as well.
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That's a conversation for
another day.
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However, it is still in
practice, It's a living
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tradition and it has deep
spiritual roots that have
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evolved over many centuries
leading back all all the way.
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OK, I'm getting ahead of myself.
The point is, I I am not an
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expert.
However, I would be remiss not
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including a little bit of
background on Santeria.
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So the Cuban neighbor in this
story that Ivan told the Cuban
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neighbor that was practicing
Santeria and is the reason why
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Ivan's mom thinks that they were
protected because of the
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protective spells that she was
doing.
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Santeria, which is otherwise
known as the Way of the Saints,
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is an Afro Caribbean religion
that developed in Cuba, blending
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Yoruba spiritual traditions from
West Africa with Catholicism.
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Oh, OK, well, but hold on, you
may be wondering, where are we
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talking about African African
spiritual traditions if we're in
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Cuba?
Well, boy, if I got some bad
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news for you.
So, OK, this is what I'm saying.
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This is difficult to just to
just scratch the surface of OK,
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1492, this is OK.
I'm going to rein it in.
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We're going to stick to bullet
points here.
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OK, Columbus found Cuba.
Spanish settlers went to Cuba,
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Spanish settlers established
sugar plantations which required
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significant labor, and oops, the
Spaniards accidentally decimated
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the population of indigenous
people of Cuba with their
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diseases, with their Spanish
diseases that they brought from
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Barcelona to Cuba.
So not great.
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They needed more labor and they
certainly weren't going to do it
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themselves.
So instead they enslaved W
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Africans specifically via
chattel slavery.
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Put them on ships, brought them
against their will to to Cuba to
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work on the plantations.
So that is how Yoruba spiritual
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beliefs from West Africa
specifically mixed with the
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Super super Catholic Spaniards
beliefs of, you know,
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Catholicism.
So Catholicism plus Yoruba
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spiritual practices equals
Santeria.
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Now, we may never know what the
Cuban neighbor did specifically
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to protect the area that they
lived.
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However, here's some you might
say Santeria 101 tips.
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So you can use Cascadia, which
is just powdered egg shell.
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So literally egg shell that you
dry either like in a low oven or
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you know, whatever.
And then you actually grind it
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into a powder.
So you can use that powder to
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draw sacred symbols like on the
floor or around doorways, or you
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can even sprinkle it around
corners or around entrances,
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like for instance, around a
fence, just as a thought.
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Of course, there's also prayers
that they're making to the
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Saints and the orishas.
Of course, it could just be
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that.
And then my favorite is Florida
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Water, which is not water from a
tap in Florida, but it's
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actually, it's a, I guess you
could describe it as like a
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spiritual Cologne, like a
cleansing spiritual Cologne.
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It's made-up of Bergamo or
bergamot, you know, I guess
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whatever floats your boat.
Lavender, lemon, clove,
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cinnamon, neroli, Jasmine, Musk,
alcohol and rose water.
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You can add some Florida Water
to your like mop mix when you're
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mopping and that's supposed to
also cleanse the house, cleanse
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the area.
You can also sprinkle it just
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around the corners and around
entrances and such, just like
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the Cascadia, just like the
eggshell.
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So lots of things that the
neighbor could have done as a
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protection in order to keep that
doppelganger slash, la tundra
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slash, maybe just a kidnapper at
Bay.
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I know that typically I do like
to try to explain from a more
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naturalistic standpoint, you
know, a more mundane standpoint.
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What is it that happened?
How can we explain it in a way
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that's not as traumatic and
terrorizing?
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And you know, like, how can we,
how can we do that?
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Is there a way that we can
explain this?
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And normally I would say, yes,
you know, Ivan was a child, he
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misremembered or he this is a
dream that he's confusing with
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reality because I've had that
happen before.
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Even as an adult.
I've told you guys I've really
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mundane dreams and sometimes I
have difficulty remembering if
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it was a dream or if it was real
or not.
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00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,200
Like when I forget that I
already bought bread because or
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00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,760
I forget I didn't buy bread
because I dreamt that I bought
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bread but I didn't buy bread.
I feel like this is do you wear
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vigs like buy bread?
Do you wear vigs?
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Do you buy bread?
In my dreams I do in my dreams I
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00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,360
do buy bread and then I forget
to buy bread at the store.
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So could it have been that it
was a dream and that over time,
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like I have mentioned most
recently in the Perrin family
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00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,080
haunting an episode about The
Conjuring one, I go into detail
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00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,200
about memory and how memory is
so fallible.
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00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,080
And every single time we access
a memory and we remember a
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00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:56,440
memory, our brains are
overwriting the memory it's
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00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,600
saving as, except now it's been
altered a little bit just by the
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00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,800
fact that we've remembered it.
So I feel like, you know, there
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could be an explanation there
that, like, over time or maybe
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00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,920
it was a scary movie that Ivan
saw as a kid and then
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misremembered as being real.
OK, Yeah.
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00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,200
But then how do you explain Dad?
How do you explain Ivan Senior,
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00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,480
who had the exact same thing
happened to him and his
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00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,720
childhood where the same thing
happened.
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00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:31,360
A woman who looked like Ivan
Senior's mom tried to get her to
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00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,560
leave with him.
How that's crazy.
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00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,160
Like, I mean, I guess here,
here's here's how I could here's
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how else I could say maybe Ivan
Junior heard that story being
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00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,360
told at some point and kind of
remembered it and then thought
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00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,160
it was his own story.
Maybe, maybe.
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00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,840
But it doesn't sound like the
dad shares that story.
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00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,680
In fact, the dad may have never
shared that story with anyone
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00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:02,960
because if I know anything about
dads with repressed emotions and
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00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,520
you know, the slight emotional
Constipation, let's just say if
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00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,960
I know anything about that, and
I do, if that's not clear, I bet
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00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,400
dad never talked about that
before.
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00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,960
And so Ivan would have never
heard that story in the 1st
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00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,159
place.
So here's what I'm here's what
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00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,760
I'm going to say.
It's mysterious.
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00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,199
That is mysterious.
I truly don't know how to
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00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,199
explain it in a way that doesn't
involve jumping to a bunch of
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00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:35,360
other conclusions.
Or it was La Tunda following
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00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,480
your family over the years.
And like I said, you better
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00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,400
watch out for your future kids,
keep them aware, and maybe,
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00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,760
maybe look into Santeria.
Maybe, maybe do a little bit of
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00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,320
dabbling in Santeria just a
little bit, just to be safe.
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Remember that you can feel
afraid and not be in danger.
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00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,800
If you have a true strange story
that you'd like to hear read on
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00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,720
the show, go ahead and send it
to me, Madam
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00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:17,920
strangeways@gmail.com or Madam
strangeways.com.
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00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,600
And since word of mouth is so
important for podcasts, if you
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00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,800
could, to me just one little
weird, spooky, strange solid,
519
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,160
that would be amazing.
And that would be telling your
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00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,280
friends about the show.
I'd really appreciate it.
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00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,640
Madame Strangeways is produced
and narrated by me.
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00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,360
Madame Strangeways theme music
is by
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00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:48,440
marina.ryan@marinamakes.co.
All stories are read with the
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00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,720
explicit permission from their
original authors.
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00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:56,480
Thank you so much for listening.
See you next time.
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According to Javier Ocampo
Lopez, when pleased, the
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00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:29,090
patasola climbs to the top of a
tree or mountain and sings the
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00:36:29,090 --> 00:36:34,960
following song, sung to the tune
of One hand in my pocket.
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00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:40,680
I'm more than a siren.
I live alone in the world and no
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00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:46,840
one can resist me, baby, because
I'm Parasola on the road, at
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home, on the mountain and the
river and in the air and in the
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00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,000
clouds and all that exists is
mine, mine, mine 'cause I got
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00:36:53,000 --> 00:37:00,080
one leg and 1 boopy and the
other hand is luring men from
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00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,720
their hunting grounds.