The Annabelle of The Annaball: Ed & Lorraine Warren Paranormal Deep Dive | EP #22

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Welcome, Strangelings to a
special deep dive episode you'll

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hear all about one of Ed and
Lorraine Warren's classic

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paranormal case files.
Annabelle, the possessed doll.

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As usual, I'll share the scary
story first, then drag you down

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the rabbit hole with me, kicking
and screaming.

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And now on to the story of

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Annabelle here on Madam
Strangeways.

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Annabelle the Haunted Doll, A
retelling Donna, a nursing

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student in the 70s, received an
antique doll as a birthday gift

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from her mother.
It was a Raggedy Ann doll, a

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popular doll that went back as
far as the 1920's.

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The doll was large at nearly 2
feet tall and was a rag doll

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made of soft cloth with bright
red yarn for hair, black buttons

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for eyes, a stitched triangular
nose, and a serene painted

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smile, dressed in a frilly dress
and apron with signature striped

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stockings.
Donna loved the gift, having

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fond memories of Raggedy Ann
from her childhood.

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Initially, she displayed the
doll on her bed as decoration,

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but within days, she and her
roommate Angie began noticing

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strange occurrences.
At first, they both found that

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the doll seemed to move on its
own.

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Sometimes Donna might have
arranged the doll's arms one

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way, only to find it posed
completely differently when no

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one had touched it.
Then the women would leave the

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house and return to find the
doll in a completely different

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room than the room they had left
it in when no one else was in

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the house.
Sometimes they'd even find it

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seated on the couch with its
legs crossed, as if relaxing.

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Other times they would discover
it standing upright on its own,

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an impossible feat for a rag
doll.

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On several occasions, Donna
distinctly remembered leaving

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the doll in the living room only
to return and find it back in

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her bedroom, laying on her bed,
patiently waiting for her.

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Donna and Angie also began to
discover notes left around their

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tiny apartment written on
parchment paper that said help

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us and help me and help Lou,
seemingly referring to their

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friend of the same name.
The handwriting seemed to belong

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to a very young child, but no
children had been to their

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apartment, and chillingly,
neither of them owned any

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parchment paper.
The paper used to leave the

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notes.
One day, Donna got a gut feeling

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that something wasn't right.
She was drawn to inspect the

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Annabelle doll and saw what
appeared to be droplets of blood

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appearing from thin air on its
soft fabric, hands and chest.

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Desperate for answers, Donna
contacted A psychic medium.

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The medium held a seance and
introduced Donna and her

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roommate Angie to the spirit of
Annabelle Higgins, A7 year old

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girl who had played in the
fields that existed where Donna

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and Angie's apartment complex
now stood.

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Tragically, Annabelle's lifeless
body had been discovered in the

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fields and her restless spirit
had chosen the Raggedy Ann doll

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to inhabit.
In an attempt at making a

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connection with Donna and Angie
sympathetic to the little girl's

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tragic story, the women invited
Annabelle's spirit to stay.

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What they didn't know, however,
was that this kind of invitation

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only made things far worse.
The unexplainable activity

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intensified when their friend
Lou, who had long suspected the

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Raggedy Ann doll was evil,
experienced A terrifying

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nightmare while laying in bed,
paralyzed with fear, he watched

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an abject horror as the rag doll
glided slowly up his leg of its

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own accord, climbed up onto his
chest and began choking him.

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He couldn't breathe.
He couldn't stop the doll.

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Eventually, deprived of oxygen,
he blacked out.

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The next morning, he was sure
that that was not a dream at

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all.
Shortly after, while Lou was at

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Donna and Angie's apartment
again against his better

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judgement, he heard the sound of
rustling from Donna's bedroom.

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Afraid it might have been an
intruder, Lou volunteered to

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check it out.
Donna's bedroom was empty except

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for Annabel, lying limp and
crumpled in the corner.

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Unsettled after his supposed
nightmare, he quickly checked

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for any signs of forced entry,
but found nothing amiss.

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Still, something felt wrong.
Slowly, he approached the doll,

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despite his experiences, and
suddenly felt an icy sensation

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prickle down the back of his
neck.

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The unmistakable feeling that
someone or something was right

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behind him.
He whirled around, expecting to

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find the intruder, but there was
no one.

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Without warning, a searing pain
exploded in his chest.

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Doubling over, he clutched at
his shirt, his hands coming away

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stained with blood.
When he unbuttoned his shirt, he

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and Angie were horrified to find
7 distinct claw marks scored

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across his chest.
Three vertical slashes

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intersected by 4 horizontal
ones.

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Yet as quickly as the injuries
appeared, they began to heal.

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By the following day, half of
the scratches had vanished.

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Within 48 hours, there was no
trace of the attack at all.

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After losing counters with the
doll, Donna again sought help

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from a professional.
But that time she wasn't going

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to mess around.
She contacted an Episcopal

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priest named Father Hagen.
Father Hagen, who felt he was in

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over his head, contacted another
priest he felt was more

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knowledgeable about spirits
named Father Cook.

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Father Cook, rather than take it
on himself, decided to bring the

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case to the attention of the
renowned ghost hunters and

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paranormal investigators Ed and
Lorraine Warren.

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The Warrens had been hunting
ghosts and exploring haunted

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houses for nearly two decades
when they were called to

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investigate the Annabelle
incident in 1952.

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They both founded the New
England Society for Psychic

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Research and were considered
pioneers in the field of

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paranormal investigation.
After assessing the situation,

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Ed said the doll wasn't
possessed, it was being

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manipulated by an inhuman spirit
to create the illusion of

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possession.
This entity was looking for a

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way to break the women down,
eventually possessing one of

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them.
Lorraine, known for her

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clairvoyant abilities, confirmed
Ed's assessment, describing an

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overwhelming sense of
malevolence emanating from the

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doll.
This wasn't Annabelle Higgins,

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she later said.
This was something much darker,

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A demonic entity in disguise.
The Warrens conducted a blessing

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of the apartment and removed the
doll to keep it at their house

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for safekeeping.
During the drive home, they

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reported multiple near accidents
as their car's brakes failed.

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Ed stated that he stopped the
disturbances only after

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sprinkling the doll with holy
water.

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After returning safely home, Ed
placed the doll in a chair

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beside his desk, where it
initially seemed to remain

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still.
But within days, strange

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activity began again, this time
at the Warrens home.

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Annabelle levitated multiple
times before falling limp and

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lifeless again as if nothing had
happened.

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Weeks later, the doll began
appearing in different rooms of

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the house without explanation,
as if moving and walking on her

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own.
When the Warrens locked the doll

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in their office while away,
they'd often return to find it

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inexplicably seated upstairs in
Ed's favorite easy chair,

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seemingly waiting for them.
One day, Father Jason Bradford,

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a Catholic priest and exorcist,
visited the Warrens.

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Spotting the doll on its chair.
He picked it up, dismissed it as

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harmless, and tossed it
carelessly back into its seat,

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saying you're just a rag doll,
Annabelle, you can't hurt

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anyone.
Ed immediately warned him.

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That's the one thing you better
not say.

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Before leaving, Lorraine urged
Father Jason to drive carefully

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and to call her once he was
home.

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Recalling their dangerous drive
after their first encounter with

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Annabelle, she felt an
overwhelming sense of dread but

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couldn't convince him to stay.
Hours later, Father Jason phoned

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the Warrens with terrifying
news.

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On his drive home, his car
brakes failed as he approached a

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busy intersection, leading to a
near fatal accident that

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completely totaled his car.
He was lucky to be alive.

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The incident reinforced the
Warrants belief in Annabelle's

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dangerous nature.
They placed the Annabelle doll

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in their occult museum in
Monroe, Connecticut, securing it

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in a locked glass case inscribed
with a sign warning positively

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do not open.
Despite its containment, though,

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Annabelle's reputation only
continued to grow.

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One of the museum's most
infamous stories involves a

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young man who mocked Annabelle
during a visit, Ed Warren

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recounted.
This young man went up to the

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doll, banged on the glass and
taunted it, saying if you're

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real, scratch me.
I told him to leave and he did,

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laughing about it. 3 hours later
he was dead.

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The man and his girlfriend left
the museum on a motorcycle

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shortly after they crashed head
on into a tree, killing him

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instantly and leaving his
girlfriend with severe injuries.

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Lorraine later reflected on the
event, saying that these objects

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are dangerous not because of
their material, but because of

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what they represent, a gateway
to something far worse.

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That was a retelling of the
original Annabelle story, which

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is a purportedly true case file
of Ed and Lorraine Warren, the

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infamous Catholic paranormal
investigator couple featured in

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The Conjuring movie franchise.
Much like the Marvel Universe,

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there is a Conjuring universe.
So in addition to The Conjuring

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films and the Nun films and I, I
don't know if the Devil made me

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do it, was technically a
Conjuring film.

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I don't remember off the top of
my head.

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Anyway, there's 9 movies in The
Conjuring franchise and three of

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those movies are Annabelle
movies.

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Pause really quickly though,
because let me just let me just

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address this.
Welcome to what is now an

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accidental series on the many
case files of the Warrens.

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So I had.
Intended my With the best of

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intentions, I had intended for
this episode to be a deep dive

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about them, about Ed and
Lorraine Warren.

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I wanted to talk about their
lives, their legacies, blah blah

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blah, all their case files.
But there's just so much juicy

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stuff in just this story and
then also all of the other

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stories.
I can't possibly, I can't

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possibly tell it all in in one
episode or we'd be here for 666

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hours.
So here we are instead, in Part

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2 of what is now a series on the
purportedly true stories of Ed

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and Lorraine Warren's and
paranormal investigative case

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files.
The first episode is actually

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the episode 19.
That's The Amityville Horror

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episode.
So if you want to hear all of

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them, you can go back and
listen.

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You don't have to pause and go
back, though.

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These are these are standalones.
You can listen to them

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individually, you can mix and
match however you want to do it.

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But technically that's the
episode that kicked off the

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series that I didn't realize was
going to be a series.

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So these are just the deep dive
episodes.

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I will go back in the next
episode to reading reader

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submitted stories.
So if you have a true story that

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you want to hear read on the
show, feel free e-mail it to

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madamstrangeways@gmail.com or go
to madamstrangeways.com.

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Right, so the sources for the
story of Annabelle that you just

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heard, the sources for that
start with the Nesper blog,

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which is any SPR.
That is the New England Society

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for Psychic Research, founded by
the famous paranormal

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investigators Ed and Lorraine
Warren that I just mentioned.

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They founded it back in 1952.
It is now run by their

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son-in-law, but not their
daughter.

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It's run by their son-in-law,
Tony Sparrow, who seems to be

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super into this stuff still, so
good for him.

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The second source was The
Demonologist, a book written by

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Gerald Brittle in 1980 about Ed
and Lorraine's experiences and

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some of their case files up
until that point.

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But it's worth noting they were
not writers, so their agents

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would hire authors to write
their stories for them.

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So those are the 2 main stories
for that retelling for that

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story that I just read you.
Those are the two sources.

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However, for the rest of the
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another source which is a book
called The Exorcist Effect,

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which is a phenomenal book.
I cannot recommend it enough.

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It's written by Joseph Laycock
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This book is amazing.
I really should have read it

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before my Amityville Horror
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much with what I was discussing
in that episode about, you know,

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laying the groundwork for the
Satanic Panic and all the

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connections between having
watched The Exorcist and then

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Ronald Defeo Junior claiming,
Oh, a devil made me do it.

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So that would have just been
really, really helpful if I had

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read it before I did that
episode.

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Anyway, The Exorcist Effect is a
historical study of the ongoing

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relationship between religious
culture in the West and horror

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movies, looking particularly at
the period from 1968 to present

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and 1968, of course, being when
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released.
Just in a nutshell, Rosemary's

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Baby and The Exorcist really
primed America to be more open

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to the idea of demons and Satan
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Which prior to these movies, it
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who believed in the devil and
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But then in the late 60s, early
70s, you start to see this

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really stark rise in public
belief in in Satan and and the

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paranormal in general.
And let me tell you, Ed and

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Lorraine Warren glommed onto
this and they held on tight

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again with a death grip.
So paranormal investigating at

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this point was already their
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But when you've got the tide of
public opinion shifting and

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rising toward belief in the
demonic and demons and Satan,

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Satan, Satan, suddenly they
begin to brand themselves not

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just as ghost hunters, but now
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Interesting that Ed Warren
waited until the Exorcist swept

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the nation in 1973 to start
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Isn't that interesting?
Interesting.

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OK, I don't want to get ahead of
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We're going to revisit this just
briefly, just a little, just a

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little light little brief visit
to it a little bit later.

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The point is the Exorcist
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Check it out.
It's amazing.

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I really can't recommend it
enough.

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Give it a listen.
Well, actually, this is how

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dedicated I was to reading this
book.

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I OK, I shouldn't even I should
be editing this out, but I'm

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going to keep it in Reading an
actual book makes me go to sleep

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now, like my eyes get tired and
I fall asleep.

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So I have to do audiobooks.
Well, they don't have an

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audiobook, just.
Joseph Laycock, Eric Harrelson,

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if you're listening, I really
wanted an audio book of this.

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Well, I figured out Alexa will
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And is it the best?
No.

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Is her inflection always right?
Does she say wound instead of

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wound and live instead of live?
Yes, but I think she can be

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forgiven because she is a robot.
Anyway, that's how dedicated I

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was to reading this is.
I have been listening to the

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book read in Alexa's voice and
some of the stuff that she's

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reading in this book out loud to
me is very shocking to hear it

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read in Alexa's voice.
So don't listen to it like I did

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unless you're really dedicated.
But you can get a physical copy

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or a digital copy of the book.
OK, just one more caveat.

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Thank you for thank you for your
patience.

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One more caveat before I get too
far into this.

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I do want to say that one
reason, one of many reasons I

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feel so strongly about Ed and
Lorraine Warren, is that my

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mother was influenced by the
demonic fear mongering and

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satanic panic that the Warrens
helped fuel.

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Which means that I too was
influenced because I was just a

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child.
And as a child with undiagnosed

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and wildly untreated anxiety and
mild obsessive tendencies due to

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childhood trauma, the last thing
I needed was my mother telling

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me that invisible demons who
wanted to hurt me could be

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sitting right next to me at any
time, anywhere, even right now,

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even this very moment.
And if you've ever, if you've

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ever suffered from anxiety, you,
you already have a zillion

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invisible things to worry about
and be scared of.

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You don't need help.
You don't need help thinking of

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those invisible things that can
hurt you.

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And you definitely don't need
your caretaker who you trust

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telling you that Satan is real
and we're at war with him.

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I've spent well over a decade
unraveling, unraveling this

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demonic sweater by just pulling
at the strings and just walk

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away.
Walk away.

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I don't remember exactly how
that goes.

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You, if you know, you know
personally, personally, my

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brain, I don't know how yours
works.

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My brain responds really well to
things like facts and proof.

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So educating myself about these
things that used to scare the

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hell out of me, it soothes me,
you know?

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And my hope is, my sincere hope
is that it may soothe some of

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you as well.
The thing is, is there's plenty

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of unexplained stuff out there
to keep us up at night.

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We don't need potentially
grifters or possible flim

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flammery making it worse.
We don't.

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And Ed Warren created his own
demon lore to suit his needs.

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Literally.
He took liberties with, I mean,

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he took, he took liberties with
and basically created his own

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fanfic universe of how demons
worked.

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And he did that, like I said, to
suit his own needs and those

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needs of his.
Those needs included telling as

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many people as possible that you
yes, yes, you, you listening

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right now.
He wanted you to think that you

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could be the victim of an
invisible demon.

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And and the kicker is, I mean,
he's dead now, but when he was

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alive and he was active, he
would have wanted you to call

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him if you thought that you were
being bothered by a demon,

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because then him and Lorraine,
they could come give you a

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visit.
And then, you know, depending on

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how marketable whatever was
happening to you was, maybe they

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could get a book deal or a movie
franchise out of it, as well as

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future speaking engagements and
guest appearances on talk shows

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like Sally, Jesse Raphael.
Which, OK, maybe you don't know

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about it now, but it used to be
huge in the 90s.

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It was sort of, OK, I'm not
going to get into it.

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You can Google it, but he really
was on.

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Both of them were on daytime
talk shows.

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And you know, you may hear that
the Warrens didn't take any

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money for their services, but
that doesn't make them selfless

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or pious.
No, they got something out of

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it.
They got a lot of something out

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of it.
So anyway, the point is, the

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reason I'm telling you this is
that there are just so many

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compelling and fascinating true
stories of the unexplained out

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there.
And, you know, some of which you

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wonderful, beautiful spooky
people kindly share with me, to

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me, scary stories can and you
know, should be fun, you know,

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even when they're scary, even
maybe because they're scary, not

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just Despite that, I mean,
because they're scary, you know,

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it's like, it's like horror
movies, you know, horror movies

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let us feel fear and anxiety and
safe environments.

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And you know, when some people,
maybe not all, but in some

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people, it can actually help
alleviate anxiety in some

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people's minds because you're,
you're training your mind to

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learn that yes, it feels afraid
right now, but it is safe.

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And that's what I'm all about.
I can feel afraid and not be in

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danger.
You can feel afraid and not be

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in danger.
But with the lore that Ed and

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Lorraine Warren created from
scratch, they wanted you to feel

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afraid and they wanted you to
feel like you were in danger.

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It was their entire business
model.

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And that's messed up.
It is.

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It's just messed up.
All right, OK, so moving on,

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we're going to talk about
Annabelle, the possessed demon

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doll who is definitely real and
true for sure.

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So if you've seen any of The
Conjuring franchise, you may

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have seen Annabelle 2014, which
is a prequel to The Conjuring

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and has a totally different
story than what I like I said,

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it's a completely different
story than the story that I just

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told, which is based on the
story told in The Demonologist,

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the book written in 1980.
So in the movie version, it's a

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husband, which it's just, I just
don't understand what was wrong

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with the original story,
personally.

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In the in the movie version,
it's it's a husband who gives

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his wife this haunted doll.
And I think that they somehow

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shoehorn satanic villains in
there too, because that was like

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Ed and Lorraine's whole thing,
even though there wasn't any in

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the original story.
Interesting.

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So Annabelle the movie is a
prequel.

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OK, but don't forget the prequel
to the prequel.

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You've got Annabelle creation
2017 or you've got the sequel to

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the prequel.
The, the prequel, the the sequel

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prequel.
It was a it was a feature, a

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creature feature, the sequel
prequel to Annabelle, and that's

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Annabelle Comes home.
That's the sequel prequel, the

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prequel sequel to him.
Unlike the story they told in

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The Demonologist, the first time
that we ever hear about this

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story, the doll isn't a Raggedy
Ann doll in the movie.

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It's not a Raggedy Ann doll
because there was no way that

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Hasbro was going to approve that
because Raggedy Ann is a real

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copyrighted, trademarked
etcetera doll.

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So they created this, I don't
know this like knock off, knock

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off ventriloquist dummy looking
kind of marionette, you know,

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like with the big round cheeks
and like the big wide eyes.

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Like, yeah, I mean, I guess it's
it is it can be creepy.

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I don't think that the doll that
they made for the movie

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Annabelle, I don't think I don't
think she was an improvement.

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I think they could have made a
creepier doll that was closer to

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a raggedy and doll.
Personally, I just don't think

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that the one that you can Google
it.

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I don't think that the I don't
think it's scarier.

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I think the raggedy and doll is
way scarier because like picture

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this picture this.
I think it's way creepier.

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Picture it raggedy and doll.
OK, picture it gliding up whose

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leg to strangle him with the
smooth little fabric doll hands

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like that's oh God, I don't like
it.

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I don't like it.
It's way scarier personally.

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So for anyone who wasn't
familiar with a Raggedy Ann or

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Raggedy Andy doll, like I said,
they they are real.

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They're trademarked,
copyrighted, etcetera.

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They're real dolls.
I think you can go buy them by

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now at the store and they really
are really almost 2 feet tall.

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They're like 20 inches tall.
It's insane.

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That's too tall for a doll.
And they do have this like

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vacant blank smiling stare,
which is why I think it's

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scarier.
And it's like innocent.

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And you would think if something
innocent is probably not going

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to strangle you until you black
out.

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Whereas if you see this is my
point.

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If you see the ventriloquist
looking doll in the Annabelle

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movies, you see that doll and
you're like, that doll is

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definitely going to try to
suffocate me in my sleep.

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Like that doll is going to try
to murder me, no question.

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So like I said, you can go buy
probably a Raggedy Ann doll

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right now.
I will say, however, that

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generally they are not
possessed.

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They do not come prepossessed by
demons and in general they are

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not capable of attacking men.
But wouldn't that be cool if

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they did?
Wouldn't it be cool if they did

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that more often?
Raggedy Ann and Andy was first

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mass produced 1920 back in 1920.
Very long time ago, so long ago.

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But hold on, because in this
story, the vintage doll that was

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given to Donna in the story in
the 70s, it could have easily

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been from the 1920s because that
was definitely vintage back

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then.
I mean, it's vintage now, but

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I'm just saying like that was
only 50 years earlier.

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So 50 years is definitely
vintage.

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I think 25 years is considered
retro and 50 is considered

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vintage.
Fact Check me on that, feel

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free.
Anyway, it's upsetting, and I'll

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tell you why it's upsetting
because the equivalent of buying

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a 1920s doll in 1970 is the
equivalent of buying today, a

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Raggedy Ann doll from 1974.
Let that sink in.

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From 1970 to 1920 is the same
distance as 2024 to 1974.

447
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,360
I don't like it.
So, like I said, Hasbro owns it.

448
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,840
They purchased the rights in
1983.

449
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:13,000
And if you're keeping score at
home, which you may be, that

450
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,920
means that Hasbro owns not only
not only the inspiration for

451
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,160
Annabelle the haunted possessed
demon doll, but it also owns the

452
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,400
trademark for the term Ouija or
Ouija.

453
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,200
Coincidence.
Possibly, But here's what's

454
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,120
really spooky.
Oh well.

455
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,320
Sad and spooky.
Kind of spooky and sad, both of

456
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,960
them.
Many people believe that Johnny

457
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,640
Gruell, the creator of Raggedy
Ann, and her brother Andy.

458
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,160
Many believe that Johnny Gruell
created the doll as a tribute to

459
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,160
his daughter Marcella, after her
tragic death at age 13 from an

460
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,200
infected vaccination.
She's really sad.

461
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,760
So if you think about that, the
fact that his daughter died a

462
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,800
tragic death, and then he
decided he was going to make a

463
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,720
doll in her memory, you know,
just steeped in grief.

464
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,280
And then that same doll later
became possessed by a demon that

465
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,120
terrorized countless people.
And then, oh, wait, no, just

466
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,200
kidding.
That's not true.

467
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,000
Gruel actually had already begun
the process of designing and

468
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,000
patenting the Raggedy Ann doll
before Marcella's illness and

469
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,720
his US patent application for
the prototype design, which is

470
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,440
US patent D47789.
If you want to go Fact Check was

471
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,640
filed on May 28th, 1915, just
around the time that Marcella

472
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,120
became ill and it was finalized
by the US Patent Office on

473
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,040
September 7th, 1915.
So.

474
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,000
But despite the facts, which I
think is a general.

475
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,960
Rule.
Do not apply to the group.

476
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,040
I'm about to discuss the anti
vaccination movement.

477
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,440
As recently as 2009, Co opted
Raggedy Ann and Raggedy Andy as

478
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,680
a symbol of their cause
perpetuating this false myth

479
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,720
about poor Marcella's death.
Which is gross in a word.

480
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,800
I mean, not her death.
That's sad.

481
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,560
What's gross is using the memory
of a dead child like that.

482
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,240
Yuck.
So that's Raggedy Ann, the doll

483
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,400
in the original case file of
Annabelle.

484
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,280
That is the doll that Annabelle
was actually inhabiting, not the

485
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,280
creepy, weird Hollywood version
that you see in the movie.

486
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,200
So now that you know everything
that you needed to know about

487
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,720
Raggedy Ann, let's get into some
of the problems with the

488
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,440
Annabelle story as told by Ed
and Lorraine Warren.

489
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,280
So first of all, and I think
this is very important, no one

490
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,200
in this story has ever actually
been identified like genuinely.

491
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:58,840
And in most of the Warren's
other cases, like the Amityville

492
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,600
house, the Enfield Poltergeist,
the Perrin family, which is the

493
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,400
case that inspired The Conjuring
films to begin with.

494
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,880
Typically you do see real
people's names mentioned and you

495
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,520
can go find those people if you
wanted to.

496
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,600
However, in this case, that's
not that's in this actual

497
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,520
literal case.
In this case, that's not the

498
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,400
case.
Lots of cases, but not Donna,

499
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,199
Angie, any of the multiple
priests involved.

500
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:36,560
Lou, who was attacked and
strangled by a Raggedy Ann doll.

501
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,679
None of them have ever come
forward, which is a little weird

502
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:47,320
because of how lucrative not
just the Warrens are in general,

503
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,320
but also all three of the Anabol
movies.

504
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:51,960
There's a lot of money to be
made.

505
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,639
If they came forward because
this story happened to them,

506
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,520
even if they came up with a new
story, there'd be a case to be

507
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,440
made.
Or, you know, all they would

508
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,280
have to do is come forward and
maybe Warner Brothers would want

509
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,600
to buy their life rights for
$150,000 like they did for

510
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,520
Lorraine Warren.
We'll get into that in another

511
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,520
episode.
Anyway, the point is there's a

512
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,280
lot of money to be made and it's
really weird that you actually

513
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,400
can't identify anybody in this
story.

514
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,400
Not a single person has ever
come forward.

515
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:29,120
Also, from my research, I can't
find any written reference to

516
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,280
this Annabelle story prior to
the demonologist in 1980.

517
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,640
Then you've got Ed Warren kind
of contradicting himself.

518
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:43,920
There was this 1980s video made
of him touring the occult

519
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,200
museum.
His occult museum where

520
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:50,360
Annabelle sits in her weird
little house cage.

521
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:56,000
So in this video, purportedly he
claims Donna was given the dolls

522
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,680
a Christmas gift, not a birthday
gift.

523
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,360
He also says that Annabelle was
a six year old girl who died in

524
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,800
a car accident outside of the
apartment.

525
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,840
But in the demonologist book, of
course, he says that it was the

526
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,920
spirit of a child who lived in
the area before it was an

527
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,320
apartment complex.
So, you know, I mean, look, he's

528
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:18,440
got a lot of cases, he's got a
lot of demons and possess things

529
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,920
all over the place.
Obviously he's going to, you

530
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,320
know, get things confused
sometimes.

531
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:28,360
But I just feel like, I just
feel like in order to be taken

532
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,560
seriously, you kind of need to
have all your little weird demon

533
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,280
ducks in a little demon row.
Just a thought.

534
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,160
So Joseph Laycock, one of the
authors of my now favorite book,

535
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:44,680
The Exorcist Effect, calls the
Annabelle legend quote an

536
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,560
interesting case study in the
relationship between pop culture

537
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,120
and paranormal folklore.
End Quote.

538
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,280
And he even speculates that this
demon doll trope that's

539
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,280
popularized by such films as
Child's Play, which is where

540
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,000
you've got Chucky, Dolly
Dearest, which I never heard of

541
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,920
actually until now.
And then of course, Annabelle

542
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:13,160
and The Conjuring universe.
These tropes likely emerged from

543
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:18,840
even earlier legends surrounding
other infamous possessed dolls

544
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,200
that predate Annabelle.
You've got 1 Robert the Doll,

545
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,120
which I'm going to talk about
shortly here.

546
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,040
And then also, most notably,
which I'm also about to talk

547
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,440
about, a Twilight Zone episode
released five years earlier

548
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:41,440
called Living Doll, in which the
mother who gives the doll to her

549
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,760
daughter, the mother is named
Annabelle.

550
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,000
Hmm, interesting.
So Laycock goes on to suggest

551
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,280
that the idea of demonically
possessed dolls allows modern

552
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,480
demonologists to find
supernatural evil in the most

553
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,240
banal and domestic of places,
which is what I was saying

554
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,360
earlier.
Oh, there's invisible demons

555
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,240
everywhere, and they might be
attacking you at any second.

556
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,640
Ed Warren really ran with this,
though.

557
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,480
This whole possessed dolls,
demonically possessed dolls.

558
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,480
He loved demonically possessed
dolls because do you know what

559
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,800
else he did?
He also claimed that Cabbage

560
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:30,000
Patch dolls attracted demons.
They, this is what he said he

561
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,440
said.
I think he even said there was

562
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,400
like a plague or like a, a
pandemic or a demonic

563
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,400
infestation or something about
Cabbage Patch dolls attracting

564
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,920
demons to possess their little
doll bodies, which which he said

565
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:50,080
would then allow them to
levitate and also say things

566
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,000
there.
They weren't talking dolls, to

567
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,960
be clear.
Cabbage Patch dolls, if you've

568
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,200
never met them, can't talk as a
general rule.

569
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,760
But he says that these demons
would possess them, in which

570
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,640
case they would then say things
like, I'm not just a doll, I'm

571
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,120
the Lord of hell.
So he just had like a thing for

572
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,680
evil dolls, I guess.
I don't know, I don't get it.

573
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,400
And when I was Googling this, I
really did not expect to come

574
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,360
up.
What came up?

575
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:25,560
The Duggars, the family from the
infamous TLC show 19 Kids and

576
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:33,000
Counting the Duggars, they buy
into this Cabbage Patch dolls

577
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,920
being possessed by Satan and
demons thing.

578
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,680
I mean, I'm sure that's not
shocking to anyone who's even

579
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,320
remotely familiar with the
Duggars.

580
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,840
But I mean, no doubt they've
gone on to then influence other

581
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,720
people to believe the same.
So thanks, Ed.

582
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,680
Thanks for that.
OK, I said we were going to talk

583
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,040
about it.
We're going to talk about it.

584
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,600
Robert the Doll, one of the
haunted possessed dolls that

585
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,120
predates Annabelle.
If you haven't heard a story

586
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,800
about Robert the Doll, I'm just
giving you a super nutshell

587
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,440
version.
Please go find a podcast about

588
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,560
Robert the Doll and listen
because it's a wild ride.

589
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:20,040
But in a nutshell, Robert the
Doll is a supposedly true story

590
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,000
of a haunted doll.
Now, these stories date back to

591
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,760
at least the 1930s.
And they got worse in the 70s.

592
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:34,440
But Robert was created by the
Stif or Stif, I don't know how

593
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,320
to pronounce IT.
Company around 1904 and gifted

594
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,000
to a Key West boy by the name of
Robert Eugene Otto.

595
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,680
You may be saying I thought the
doll's name was Robert.

596
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,720
It is.
It's weird.

597
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,000
The child Robert Eugene went by
the name Gene and then he named

598
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,600
his doll after himself after his
first name that he doesn't use.

599
00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:01,000
Very weird.
Also weird was how huge this

600
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,520
doll was.
I don't know what it is about

601
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:08,080
huge dolls in this story, but I
this doll is 40 inches tall,

602
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,640
twice as big as Raggedy Ann, so
it's nearly 3 1/2 feet tall.

603
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,160
I feel like.
I feel like if you are a doll

604
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:22,000
and you are over 20 inches tall,
I do feel like there's a case to

605
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,120
be made.
I feel like maybe you do have a

606
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,200
higher chance of being possessed
just because they're just, We

607
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,160
just don't need dolls that are
like the size of children.

608
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,480
I just don't think we need it,
so maybe just keep an eye on

609
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,960
that.
If you've got a doll that's

610
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,920
taller than 20 inches in your
home, just stay vigilant.

611
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,240
Keep me updated if anything
spooky happens.

612
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,360
So this doll would supposedly
get into all sorts of mischief

613
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,000
and and tomfoolery that Jean's
parents would of course blame

614
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,800
Jean for.
And then Jean would of course

615
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,760
blame it on Robert.
Oh, Robert did it, Robert did

616
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,640
it.
It was Robert.

617
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,800
He's the one.
Well, you know, he didn't grow

618
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,320
out of this because he still had
Robert the doll when he grew up

619
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,240
and got married.
And his wife understandably

620
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,400
didn't like it.
His wife didn't like the doll.

621
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:25,880
And, you know, kind of like
when, OK, I hate man caves, but

622
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,880
it sounds like that's what
happened here.

623
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,080
I think they got married and
then Jean was like, well, I

624
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,600
don't want to get rid of Robert.
I know I'll put him in my man

625
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,680
cave.
His man cave in this instance

626
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,960
was some sort of some sort of
weird turret room which is like

627
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,080
up in the attic and has a window
outside and people could see the

628
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,520
doll from the window.
I don't, I don't fully

629
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,280
understand the way that
buildings work apparently

630
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,160
because I've never heard of
anything like this room.

631
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,640
Anyway, his man cave was up
there and that's where he locked

632
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,880
Robert away because his wife
hated it.

633
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:06,840
Well, here's the thing.
Shortly after, his wife was

634
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,640
supposedly stricken with
insanity, obviously because

635
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,680
Robert the doll cursed her with
an insanity curse.

636
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,400
I don't know.
And then people who passed by

637
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,960
the house when Robert was in his
confinement in his man cave

638
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:27,880
reported seeing the doll move or
change positions, which is very

639
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,520
creepy.
Very creepy.

640
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,440
So eventually Robert the Doll
ended up being donated to the

641
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:39,280
Fort East Martello.
That might be Marteo Marteo.

642
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,720
I actually don't know which one
it is and I'm going to let

643
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:45,880
someone correct me.
The Fort E Marteo Museum in Key

644
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,080
West, FL where he's currently on
display.

645
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,800
But beware, if you take his
photo without asking permission,

646
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Robert the Doll will put a curse
on you.

647
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:03,280
His display case is apparently
covered in letters of apology

648
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,520
that are sent in by people who
took his photo without consent.

649
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,520
And then they had nothing but
terrible luck afterwards.

650
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,840
So they're writing him like,
please forgive me, Robert, I'm

651
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,360
so sorry I took your photo.
Please just stop making me lose

652
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,720
all of my jobs and my dog in my
truck.

653
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:24,280
And wait a minute, Maybe Robert
the doll is somehow partially

654
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,280
responsible for all of the
country music that we have

655
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,080
today.
Interesting.

656
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:34,280
So there's that doll which,
which, listen, that doll was

657
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:40,880
around well prior to 1980 and
also prior to 1970 when the

658
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,560
story of Annabelle was supposed
to have happened.

659
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,720
And that's when we first hear
about Annabelle's 1980,

660
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:48,920
remember.
So this doll definitely predates

661
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,400
that.
The other thing that I said, we

662
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,240
were going to talk about the
Twilight Zone episode.

663
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,560
I was obsessed with Twilight
Zone as a kid.

664
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,920
I loved the Twilight Zone so
this episode is one of the

665
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,040
classic ones and and I'll tell
you in a minute why you might

666
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,320
recognize this episode even
having not seen it.

667
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,600
So the Twilight Zone episode
called Living Doll was from

668
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,440
1963.
It was about a doll that comes

669
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:21,800
to evil life and spoiler alert
for a 60 year old show.

670
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,480
Spoiler alert, the doll commits
murder.

671
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,640
And yes, like I said, the
mother's name in this episode

672
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,040
really is Annabelle.
I really don't know how much

673
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,920
more on the nose you can be
about it.

674
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,360
So because genuinely, it seems
like even if Ed and Lorraine

675
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,720
didn't set out specifically to
copy this episode, I mean, they

676
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:46,480
must have seen it and like
subconsciously associated the

677
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,640
name Annabelle with murderous
dolls, you know, I don't know.

678
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,200
So in the episode, the dad has
this weird beef with this

679
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,080
sentient doll.
Like the doll is talking out

680
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,480
loud and he's having
conversations.

681
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,720
With the doll, the doll does.
Not like him.

682
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,520
And I'm going to say I'm going
to go with the doll with this

683
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,520
one.
I feel like I feel like the doll

684
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,120
Talkie Tina is the name of the
doll.

685
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,840
By the way.
I feel like Talkie Tina was on

686
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,760
to something here.
He just seemed a little red

687
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,880
flag.
We'll call it a red flag If your

688
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:27,000
husband or father or partner is
has beef with a talkie teen, a

689
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,600
doll, we'll just call that a red
flag.

690
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,600
And not only does he have beef
with this doll, he also holds up

691
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,400
a lit match to her face and she
goes ow.

692
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,880
And then he makes a comment
that's like, oh, if you can

693
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,040
feel, then I can hurt you.
What?

694
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:47,080
Where's that like red flag guy
on TikTok?

695
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,520
Like waving it around
aggressively.

696
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:55,280
Then the doll tells him after
he's just said then I can hurt

697
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,200
you.
She says not really, but I can

698
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,160
hurt you.
Hell yeah Tina.

699
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,480
Hell yeah hurt him.
I'm here for it.

700
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,680
This is a great.
I don't remember cheering for

701
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,920
Tina when I was a child but now
I need to re watch this episode.

702
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,360
I think I'm going to have a
completely different point of

703
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,120
view about it.
OK, so Talkie Tina is the doll

704
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:21,000
that was used in this episode,
Talkie Tina as a reference to

705
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,680
Chatty Cathy.
But in the doll in the actual

706
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:30,360
episode was made by the Vogue
doll company and it was marketed

707
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,760
under the name Briquette, which
makes me think of charcoal.

708
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,440
So I don't know, but it's
spelled BRIKETTE.

709
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:42,320
But it was just a normal doll.
It didn't talk on the Twilight

710
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,080
Zone though.
Obviously they needed a talking

711
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,360
doll, but they didn't want to
use the look of the Chatty Kathy

712
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,080
doll.
So just like with Annabelle, how

713
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,920
the movie makes the doll look
different than the actual story.

714
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,200
They swap it up a little as
well.

715
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,480
So they use this briquette, this
charcoal doll, they use

716
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,360
briquette as the doll.
And then they use actually the

717
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,200
voice of the Chatty Cathy doll
in the episode.

718
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:15,600
The same actress, June 4A, who
was a a famous voice actress at

719
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,400
the time, she did the voice for
the Chatty Cathy doll.

720
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,240
And then she also did the
episode for the Talkie Tina doll

721
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:26,960
in the episode, which if you
think about it, if you think

722
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:32,040
about it, if you had a Chatty
Cathy doll in your home when

723
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:37,640
this episode was released in
1963, and it's using the same

724
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,040
voice as the Chatty Cathy doll
in your house.

725
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,920
And it's saying things like, I
don't like you anymore and I'm

726
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,480
going to kill you.
Like, oh, just imagine how

727
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,920
terrifying that was and how like
that put in the public

728
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,720
consciousness this thought of
haunted, demonically possessed

729
00:48:55,720 --> 00:49:00,080
dolls.
And here's Rod Sterling's intro

730
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:04,720
for the Twilight Zone episode,
which I am purely including

731
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:07,280
because I want to try out my Rod
Sterling impression.

732
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,600
And I want to say I meant to
listen to him or read this first

733
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,280
so I could compare, but I
didn't.

734
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,280
So this is not with reference.
I'm going to give it a go.

735
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,560
Here we go.
Dokie Tina, a doll that does

736
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,680
everything.
A lifelike creation of plastic

737
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:30,160
and springs and painted smile.
To Eric Strader, she is the most

738
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:35,120
unwelcome addition to his
household, but without her, he'd

739
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:43,560
never enter the Twilight Zone.
I'm not even I don't even want

740
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:44,800
to know how that went.
You tell me.

741
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,240
Let me know in the comments.
So some of you, like I was

742
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:50,720
saying earlier, some of you may
not have actually seen this

743
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:55,280
actual a Twilight Zone episode.
However, I bet that you may be

744
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,720
familiar with it because it was
parodied in The Simpsons

745
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:04,200
Treehouse of Horror Three
Halloween special in 1992, which

746
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,080
was so long ago, and it's a
crusty doll that comes to life

747
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,960
to terrorize Homer.
It's a great episode.

748
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,240
The Simpsons did a lot of
Twilight Zone references and

749
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:17,960
Twilight Zone remakes in their
Treehouse of Horror episodes.

750
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,400
Still holds up.
So where is Annabelle now, you

751
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,600
may be asking?
Well, Annabelle is safely tucked

752
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,960
away inside the Warren's Occult
Museum, which is located in the

753
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,000
basement of the house that they
lived in in Monroe, Connecticut,

754
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:39,040
which had to close to the public
in 2019 because even a

755
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,520
demonologist is no match for
zoning laws.

756
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,240
Since the museum was in a house
basement, it wasn't zoned to be

757
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:49,400
a museum.
Which makes sense because

758
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,800
actually nothing about this
museum really looks like a

759
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,480
museum anyway.
If you look up pictures, it

760
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,280
really just kind of looks like
your weird great Uncle Stan's

761
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:04,480
collection of oddities.
Truly, if you, if you watch

762
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,200
Gravity Falls, I just get such
Gronkle Stan.

763
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,240
I get such Gronkle Stan energy
from Ed Warren.

764
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:16,680
Honestly, you've got like
Halloween decorations just

765
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:22,400
haphazardly placed beside what
they insist are like relics or

766
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,560
cursed objects.
It's just really weird.

767
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,000
It, it's, it's just a bunch of
Chotzkys, Tchotchkes,

768
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:36,040
tchotchkes, creepy tchotchkes.
It's definitely a choice.

769
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,280
So this museum, which you can no
longer visit, unfortunately,

770
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,800
this museum featured a
collection of artifacts and

771
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:49,200
trinkets from the Warrens they
claimed were defiled by evil,

772
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,800
including an alleged vampire's
coffin.

773
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,800
OK, an alleged vampire's coffin.
I wish I was making this up.

774
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,720
If I was making it up, I
wouldn't even.

775
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,840
I wouldn't be this brazen if I
was making this up.

776
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,320
An alleged vampire's coffin.
A child's tombstone that had

777
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:14,480
been used as a satanic altar.
Death curses.

778
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,840
Unclear what that means.
Demon masks.

779
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,400
Again, I kind of don't know what
that means either.

780
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,040
Like, is it a mask that a demon
used to wear?

781
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:29,720
Is it like the mask mask?
Do they have the mask mask in

782
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:32,360
the museum?
Have people tried to put it on?

783
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,240
I don't know.
Listen, they've got a bunch of

784
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:36,520
weird stuff like those.
OK.

785
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:41,560
But the star of the show, the
Bella de Bella de Ball, the, the

786
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:46,760
Annabelle of Diana Ball.
I'm so proud.

787
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,960
I'm so happy with that to
Annabelle and to Anna Ball.

788
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,000
She was the she was the star of
the show.

789
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:59,240
She was prominently displayed in
this strange like miniature

790
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:02,840
house thing.
It's it's like a mini church.

791
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:06,160
Like it's got a little like
here's the church and here's the

792
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,160
steeple.
Like it's got like a little roof

793
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:13,320
and it's wood, except the front
door is glass, which allows you

794
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,560
to see in.
So it's a display case.

795
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,880
It's, it's really weird.
It's got a cross hanging above

796
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:24,160
the door and there's a hand
painted sign inside, a hand

797
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:30,240
painted sign inside of the case
beside Annabelle that says

798
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:37,200
warning positively do not open.
And weirdly there's also this

799
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:42,040
tarot card nailed on the door.
Ed and Lorraine Warren were

800
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,520
super Catholic, so I find that
really weird.

801
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,880
And if you're curious if you're
into tarot or even if you're

802
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,320
not, if you're curious, the
tarot card on the door is the

803
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,080
devil card.
I personally think that they

804
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,320
just thought that that gives it
like a just like a little little

805
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,200
like a little Genesee quoi.
Like it's just gives it that

806
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,880
extra little touch and a nod to
make sure people know that they

807
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,120
don't forget that this is a
devil infested doll.

808
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,400
That's what I think that it's
there for, you know?

809
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:15,200
But I don't know.
Tell me.

810
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,760
You tell me.
Here's what I'll tell you what

811
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,920
the devil card means when it's
upright, which it is.

812
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,320
The devil card in tarot means
bondage, enslavement, fear,

813
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,640
feeling trapped, materialism,
temptation, unhealthy

814
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,520
relationships.
I just feel like the being, the

815
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,880
the feeling trapped part, that
just seems like salt in the

816
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,960
wound for poor Annabelle.
She's trapped in there.

817
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,760
She's feeling very trapped.
She's feeling enslaved.

818
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,000
She she might be feeling fear,
and you want to talk about

819
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,360
materialism?
What the hell else is the entire

820
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,880
Warren's Occult Museum other
than just materialism anyway?

821
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,440
OK, I could, I could really talk
about this strange little house

822
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,760
that I assume Ed built her.
I could go on about it because,

823
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,080
OK, you know what?
I am going to go on about it

824
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,360
because here's the thing, you
can Google it, pull it up.

825
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,280
Look up the weird little house
that she's toured in if it's so

826
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,560
important that you keep her away
from people so that she doesn't

827
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,360
do any more harm, right?
If that's their goal is to

828
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,520
reduce harm.
If Ed and Lorraine Warren are

829
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:26,440
setting out to rescue people and
to save them from demons and,

830
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,680
you know, like, bring them to
Catholicism, presumably, like

831
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,360
bring them to Jesus and God, if
that's the idea.

832
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,760
I just find it really weird that
he's like, you know what I'll

833
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,360
do?
I'll put a glass display case in

834
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:44,840
the front, like this doll can
levitate, This doll can move

835
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:45,800
around.
It can.

836
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,840
It can open doors.
It's been established in the

837
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:52,360
story that it either opened
doors or phased through walls in

838
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,240
order to get back into Donna's
bedroom, if you'll remember.

839
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:01,400
And if this Raggedy Ann doll can
choke a man out so hard he

840
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,240
passes out, I just feel like
she'll be able to breakthrough

841
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:08,080
glass with her weird little
mitten hands.

842
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,520
I just don't.
I don't think it's safe.

843
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:16,200
So it's almost as if the purpose
of putting her in a box with a

844
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:21,440
display case with a display door
is to charge admission for your

845
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,440
museum.
I don't know.

846
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,400
I'm just thinking, I'm just
spitballing.

847
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,720
I don't know.
What do I know?

848
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,920
I don't know, Like, is she
really trapped in that box?

849
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:35,880
Because here's the thing, in
some of the photos I found of

850
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:40,280
this little house she's living
in, there's clearly like a

851
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,880
sliding lock on the outside like
that you slide into place so

852
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,000
that she can't open it.
And in that photo, there's also

853
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:54,480
a little hook latch up at the
top and there's a padlock on the

854
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,320
little door handle so that her,
like I said, like her little

855
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,320
soft little fabric doll hands
can't pry the door open.

856
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,320
Although I do still think she
could break open the glass.

857
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,480
But hold on because then in
another photo it looks like

858
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,200
there's an actual like key lock
in the door.

859
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,920
Like that actually uses a key,
but there's no sliding lock in

860
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,640
that picture.
So they've obviously been like

861
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:21,400
making changes and possibly
hopefully upgrades in the

862
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,560
security of the Annabelle doll.
But hold on cuz then in other

863
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:30,440
photos, all I can see is there's
no locking mechanism.

864
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:35,760
All I can see is that they have
hung a novelty key chain on the

865
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,080
door handle, which is not even
in any way securing anything.

866
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,360
It's just like a loop handle.
So they've got like a novelty

867
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,200
key chain hanging from the
handle.

868
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:50,600
Like, I mean, I'm serious, like
a little hologram skull key

869
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,080
chain.
Definitely no sort of locking

870
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,480
mechanism.
Hold on, let's go back in the

871
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,800
photo where there's a padlock on
the handle.

872
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:04,120
The padlock is just locked onto
the handle, it's not locking

873
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,880
anything shut.
Like there would need to be a

874
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:11,280
chain of some sort for the
padlock to lock onto and there

875
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,080
isn't.
It's literally just hanging on

876
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,960
the door handle.
You know, it's almost as if this

877
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:26,320
is all for show.
OK, one last detail about her

878
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:31,920
little abode.
The positively do not open sign

879
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,600
when it's displayed in this box
that she's in.

880
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,680
They don't even have it.
They haven't even bothered to

881
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,320
display the warning sign
properly.

882
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:42,800
It's literally cut off because
it's not.

883
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,200
It should be raised up a few
inches because it cuts off the

884
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:52,360
bottom of the sign.
So all you can see, all you can

885
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,680
see is that it says warning.
Positively do not.

886
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,240
That's it.
Do not what?

887
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,840
Do not what?
What if this is my first time at

888
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,680
the Occult Museum and I don't
know the story behind Annabelle

889
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,440
and I see this sign and all that
there is on the door handle is

890
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,800
this holographic skull key
chain.

891
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,520
And it says warning positively
do not.

892
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,480
And I'm like, what does it say?
I want to know.

893
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:22,320
So I open the door and now I
have allowed Annabelle to

894
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,760
escape.
Now look what you've done

895
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,720
because you can't bother to, you
just can't bother to put the

896
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:33,080
sign up properly.
Just I just there's, it's, it's

897
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,360
a security nightmare.
I don't know.

898
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,200
I don't know what to say.
It's not good.

899
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,320
It's not secure.
She's not safe.

900
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:45,880
So in addition to the three
Annabelle movies, in addition to

901
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,880
seeing her at the museum when it
was open before it got closed,

902
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:56,480
there's been another opportunity
to get closer to Annabelle.

903
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,120
Very, very close.
Extremely close.

904
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:07,440
Because in 2023, Herodin Vodka
released 666 bottles of

905
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:13,360
Paranormal Reserve vodka that
had been placed for 30 days near

906
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,440
Annabelle's weird little
enclosure.

907
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,200
Yes, you heard right.
The vodka came in a wooden box

908
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,600
featuring a functional Ouija
board on its lid.

909
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:29,040
And it also came with gloves for
handling the bottle because you

910
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,800
don't want to touch the bottle
directly.

911
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,400
Otherwise you might, I don't
know, get cursed.

912
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,080
But you're going to drink the
vodka.

913
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:36,960
Oh, no.
Oh.

914
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,120
OK.
So the back of the label is

915
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:43,560
inscribed with Help Me Help us
like Annabelle purportedly wrote

916
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,760
on the parchment paper and
Donna's apartment.

917
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,240
So very creepy.
You know, just like putting the

918
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:54,120
bottle, putting the bottles of
vodka, like just near

919
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:59,160
Annabelle's little house.
It's kind of like the Lacroix

920
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,000
model.
I think that's the method that

921
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,680
Lacroix uses, where you just
place, you just place the fizzy

922
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:11,680
water kind of in the general
vicinity of a fruit and you just

923
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,800
pray for osmosis.
I think that's kind of what they

924
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,280
were going for.
So wait, hold on though.

925
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,240
Hold on.
Because the 666th bottle of

926
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:26,400
Annabelle vodka was placed
directly inside of Annabelle's

927
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,760
creepy little protective case
for 30 days.

928
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:36,360
I don't.
I don't know what they were.

929
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,040
I don't.
Did she sneak some?

930
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,600
Like, are we sure that the
bottle was still sealed when it

931
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,920
was released?
Like, did she drink any of it?

932
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,320
I don't know.
I'm not sure of the bottle.

933
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:51,680
This bottle, the 666th, 666th,
it's hard to say.

934
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:57,320
The 666th bottle of Annabelle
Vodka goes for the low, low

935
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:08,960
price of 13,000 dollars, 13,000
dollars, $13,000.

936
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,080
Thankfully it comes in a
one-of-a-kind bespoke wooden

937
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,600
case directly inspired by
Annabelle's current confines.

938
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,000
So you know you've got that
going for you, which is nice.

939
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,560
You know, hold on, just as a
side note, when you hear about

940
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,400
something being exorbitantly
expensive like that, like

941
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:30,080
$13,000 for a bottle of vodka or
like a $6000 burger, that's

942
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,640
purely marketing.
It's straight PR, so they do

943
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,080
something crazy like that to
make it more enticing for

944
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,840
publications to pick up their
press release and report on it

945
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,240
because no one wants to talk
about, you know, well, I was

946
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,600
going to say, no one wants to
talk about a haunted vodka

947
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,680
that's only $100 or $200.00.
But actually I do feel like

948
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,120
that's newsworthy.
But they are definitely more

949
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:56,640
incentivized to run a story
about a $13,000 bottle of vodka.

950
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:04,320
I assume that putting the price
at $666 wasn't high enough to

951
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:09,960
get the attention of news
publications, so I guess I just

952
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,840
went with unlucky 13 and then a
bunch of Zeros.

953
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:18,680
So anyway, a portion of all
paranormal reserve sales of the

954
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,920
Annabelle vodka benefited Toys
for Tots.

955
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,880
That's sweet.
And let's also hope that none of

956
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:29,320
those toys for the Tots were
possessed by a demon.

957
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,160
And also hopefully someone
bought that $13,000 bottle,

958
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,840
because if that bottle was
included in the portion of the

959
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,920
sales that benefiting Toys for
Tots, then aw, that's a lot of

960
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,600
money for charity.
I hope so.

961
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:48,440
So also, I thought that this was
a special vodka specific to

962
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,120
Annabelle.
I when I first heard about it, I

963
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:54,200
hadn't heard of any other kind
of weird haunted vodkas.

964
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:59,440
Au contraire, Herod and Vodka
has been releasing a new

965
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,800
paranormal reserve every year
since 2021.

966
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,200
From what I can see, I think
they started in 2020.

967
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:11,080
This year's 2024's Paranormal
Reserve is the Asylum Edition.

968
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,600
This limited edition collection
of the Herod and Vodka was

969
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:19,520
arrested for a month and two of
America's most haunted asylums,

970
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:24,360
the Trans Allegheny.
I don't know, a lunatic asylum

971
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,280
in West Virginia and the
Pennhurst asylum in

972
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,880
Pennsylvania.
Just one, 7999.

973
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,880
That's $179.99.
So much more affordable than

974
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:40,120
$13,000 now, I thought.
I thought originally that the

975
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:45,040
gloves that the Annabelle vodka
included was a nod to how Ed

976
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,720
Warren has said he handled the
Annabelle doll.

977
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,000
He said that he would do, I
don't know, all these different

978
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,920
kinds of Catholic blessings.
And I don't know, like a Hail

979
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,200
Mary or something.
And maybe there was holy water

980
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,920
involved and there was some kind
of like, Catholic light that

981
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,080
would surround him.
And then he would feel like he

982
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,080
was fortified enough in order to
handle the doll.

983
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:12,560
And then he would put on really
thick gloves, and then he would

984
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,800
open the door and then move the
doll with the gloves.

985
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,680
So when I first heard that the
Annabelle vodka came with a pair

986
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,120
of gloves, I was like, wow, what
an interesting nod to this

987
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,560
obscure fact from Ed Warren.
Oh, OK.

988
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:28,000
Actually, no.
All of the Paranormal Reserve

989
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:33,920
vodkas going back to even 2021
all come with gloves for safe

990
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,120
handling.
So OK, it's not a specific nod

991
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,160
to Annabelle.
I've said not a lot.

992
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,920
I feel like in the last 30
seconds we're just going to keep

993
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,360
moving.
But it's a thing that the

994
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,600
Paranormal Reserve Harridan
Vodka does, which I think is

995
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,880
actually even cooler that it's
not specific to Annabelle.

996
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,520
And honestly, at first, when I
first heard about this Annabelle

997
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,440
vodka, I was like, wow, that's
pretty metal.

998
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,320
Very cool.
But then as I was reading more

999
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,760
about Ed and Lorraine Warren, I
was like, I don't know about

1000
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:09,040
this.
I don't think I like this

1001
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,560
anymore.
But then I did research on this

1002
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:16,720
Harrod and Vodka and saw all of
their cool branding and read

1003
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,960
about them.
It's like they're super cool.

1004
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:24,760
They're super witchy woman owned
so I'm definitely not sponsored

1005
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:28,560
by Harridan vodka, but I am now
a fan so go check them out.

1006
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:36,040
They've got cool occulty witchy
spooky haunted vodka so go check

1007
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:40,760
them out. harridan.com.
HARRIDAN.

1008
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:45,160
And apparently harridan means a
strict bossy or belligerent old

1009
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,440
woman, so even more to love.
So go buy some Harridan vodka

1010
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,720
for your friends.
Buy it for your enemies.

1011
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,120
And you know what?
Hold on, here's what you do.

1012
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,040
You buy it for your enemies.
You don't give your enemies the

1013
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,040
gloves.
You take the gloves out so your

1014
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,840
enemies are handling cursed
haunted vodka bottles.

1015
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:09,720
And then your friends do get the
gloves and so they're protected.

1016
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,320
So this is what you can do for
Christmas this year.

1017
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:16,640
Buy Herod and vodka for all your
enemies and don't give them the

1018
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,840
protective gloves.
Let me know how it works out for

1019
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,320
you.
So that's the story of

1020
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:26,480
Annabelle, the original case
file of Ed and Lorraine Warren

1021
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:32,200
who inspired 3 Annabelle movies
and will probably inspire more

1022
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:36,320
Annabelle movies if I know
anything about movie companies.

1023
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:42,520
Just just assuming so I'm not
sure yet what my next deep dive

1024
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:46,200
episode will be about.
However, if you want to have an

1025
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:50,840
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1026
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:55,920
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1027
01:07:55,920 --> 01:08:00,680
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1028
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:05,400
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Join me in 2 weeks when I will

1029
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:10,560
go back to the normal format of
reading your true spooky

1030
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:15,120
unexplained stories, with my
commentary in between of course.

1031
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,600
So thanks so much for listening
and I'll see you all next time.

1032
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:33,800
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1033
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:39,520
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1034
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:44,359
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1040
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1041
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,680
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1043
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1048
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