The Goatman of Old Alton Bridge - The Urban Legend of Denton County, Texas | True Paranormal Stories & Spooky Folklore | Ep #48

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That's a lot of goat men.
What do you call?

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A group of goat men, anyway.
Welcome stranger, to Madam

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Strange Ways, where I, Madam
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Of the unexplained.

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thoughts and research about said
strange story.

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And along the way, I will drag
you down a slew of strange

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rabbit holes, kicking and
screaming if needs must before

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we get to today's true strange
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Strange ways.
Oh wow, did you hear that sound

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of extremely realistic Thunder?
Sounds like it's about to rain

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hellcats and hellhounds out
there.

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So you know what that means.
Time for a true strange story

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here on Madam's Changeways.
My Night on the Old Elton Bridge

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by Kai Faden A few years ago I
decided to return to my home

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state of Oklahoma for my
birthday and celebrate the

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weekend with my best friend Wes
and my family.

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I was pretty excited as I hadn't
seen any of them for the past

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few years and we had some fun
stuff planned.

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Matching tattoos with Wes, a BBQ
with the family.

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Just a nice fun weekend, but the
real excitement for me was a

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small road trip Wes and I had
planned, taking us to Texas to

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visit the old Alton Bridge.
Now you've probably heard of

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this place before.
It's been subject to a lot of

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paranormal investigation type
media due to the satanic rituals

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performed on the bridge and of
course the ever famous goat man

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demon.
I, being a lover of the occult,

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always wanted to make trips to
see more places with paranormal

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backgrounds and with the old
Alton Bridge being a mere 5 hour

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drive from my hometown, it
seemed like a blast.

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And Wes, also a lover of spooky
stuff, was down to go.

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So the plan was set months in
advance.

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The day finally came.
I flew down the night before Wes

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got me from the airport and we
went back to his place to crash.

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We woke up.
Hit the gym, got those matching

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tattoos, and hopped in the car
for the road trip.

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The five hour drive flew by as
we spent the trip listening to

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podcasts and catching up.
We ended up reaching the old

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Alton Bridge at around 10 PMA.
Nice dark September night.

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You couldn't have asked for a
better time of year for this

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kind of adventure.
Wes and I invited a couple of

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other friends to come hang out
with us.

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One said he was at work so he
would be running a little late,

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while the other, knowing full
well the history of the bridge

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as well as being a tad
superstitious, point blank

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refused to meet us there.
This is probably as good a time

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as any to point out that Wes and
I aren't actually believers in

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the idea that paranormal things
can actually hurt you.

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Some have since argued with us
that maybe if we were and opted

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to be a bit more careful, the
night wouldn't have ended the

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way.
That it did.

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Wes and I had decided to film
some fun stuff for social media,

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seeing as how we had some time
to kill while waiting for

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Scraggy, our other best friend,
to get off from work.

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Wes had already brought along a
professional grade movie camera

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since we had already been
talking about ideas we had for

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content.
In the midst of all of this, two

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things were done by Wes and I
that, if you believe in these

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sorts of things, might have set
the tone for things to come.

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I took a railroad spike and
stabbed it into the bridge for a

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sort of cool picture for
Instagram and Wes.

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Needing to use the bathroom and
having nowhere else to go, we

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decided to pee off the side of
the bridge.

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After a few hours, Scraggy
showed up and we all hung out

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together on the bridge for about
an hour before we decided to

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pack it all up and go home.
This worked out well, as the

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bridge was starting to get a lot
of tourists coming around as the

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night went on.
This was unsurprising as it was

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peak spooky season right before
Halloween, but we're not exactly

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the most extroverted bunch.
We said goodbye to Scraggy,

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packed up the car, and got on
the road to head home.

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It was pretty late at this
point, so we did pull over and

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nap for a few hours just to take
the edge off before returning to

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the road.
We were a little under halfway

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back home listening to a horror
narration podcast when all of

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the sudden we heard a loud crash
and violently lurched forward

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out of control.
Wes and I were screaming as he

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desperately tried to regain
control of the car, which was

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still flying at high speed off
the highway.

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We were only stopped after
scraping alongside a median

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barrier for several yards.
Somehow, miraculously, we were

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relatively unharmed, just a bit
of whiplash and a throbbing

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headache for Wes from the
airbag.

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We got out of the car and
unsurprisingly, it was totaled.

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Half of the back of the car was
completely caved in.

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Someone pulled over next to us
to make sure we were all right.

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That's when they explained to us
what happened.

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A car behind us was swerving on
the highway and driving

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recklessly.
They slowed down to let the car

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pass them to avoid a potential
wreck.

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We never noticed how the car was
driving in the rearview mirror

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and the words of the other
driver.

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It looked like they.
Speed up to pass you and just

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didn't pass you.
The car had rammed into us from

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behind and ran us off the road
across the street.

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The car that had hit us was also
totaled.

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Tracks following the path of the
car had showed that it had spun

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out multiple times before coming
to a.

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Stop.
The front of the car was on fire

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and the driver was still in the
driver's seat.

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He was seemingly.
Fine, but still trying to get

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his currently ablaze vehicle
started.

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Finally, after realizing it was
of little use, he got out of the

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car and paced up and down the
highway.

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His.
Car eventually went up in a full

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blaze.
I'm talking bonfire levels.

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I've never seen a vehicle burn
like that and it honestly felt

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unnatural.
Wes and I sat there watching the

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flames, and I said the only
thing that came to mind.

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Hey Wes.
Yeah, I think we picked a bad

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night to piss off the goat man,
huh?

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Despite the situation, we both
laughed.

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The cops and an ambulance
arrived.

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We were OK, so they offered to
drop us at a nearby gas station

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to get picked up by Wes's wife.
The guy who hit us was arrested.

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According to the cops who talked
to us, he flat out refused to

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take a drug test for them, but
his eyes were quote UN quote as

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big as saucers.
Also the car he was driving

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stolen.
We made it home OK and even

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managed to get the camera out of
the car, which shockingly was

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also unscathed.
However, the last little.

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Oddity of it was that all of the
footage that we recorded on the

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bridge was completely corrupted.
I can't deny that there were an

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insane amount of creepy
coincidences that happened that

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night.
I still don't believe that the

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things that happened to us that
day are the result of the goat

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man or anything doing with the
bridge.

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I still don't believe that
paranormal things can hurt you,

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but a lot of the people who I
share this story with and some

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of the more peculiar details
with usually think otherwise.

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Hi, thank you so much for
submitting your story to

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madamstrangeways@gmail.com.
Shameless plug.

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But hey, while we're shamelessly
plugging, check out Kais Horror

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narration YouTube channel at
Poulter Kaist Kaist instead of

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Poulter Geist POLTERKAIST.
And if you're interested in

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horror narration or, or horror
fiction, I have also done some

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collaborations with Kai on his
channel on certain episodes.

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So check it out.
But Kai, thank you so much for

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submitting your story.
Firstly, gosh, I'm so glad that

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y'all were safe.
That could have ended so badly.

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Like, you know, it's so scary to
think, what if you had left 5

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seconds earlier, 30 seconds
earlier?

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What if you had left 5 seconds
later?

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You know what, what then what
could things have what, what

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things could have changed?
It's just so scary to think

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about.
I do always love to hear stories

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from skeptics or at least like
skeptic adjacent people because

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you just know that if they're
submitting a story that it's

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stuck with them.
Like something about that story

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just doesn't sit right.
Even if they don't necessarily

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believe in the paranormal.
Those are my favorite stories to

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hear is.
You know, oh, I consider myself

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a skeptic.
You're like, I'm SAT like, oh,

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no, what happened to you?
Oh no.

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OK, so here's what we're going
to do with this episode is we're

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going to discuss the urban
legend of the Goat Man,

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specifically at the Old Alton
Bridge.

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And here's what I want you to
do.

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When you tell me, you tell me,
you say it out loud.

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You can just think it.
You can subconsciously,

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telepathically, etcetera.
To me, when you hear the term

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goat man, what are you
picturing?

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Are you picturing like a
creature resembling like a like

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a like a goat human hybrid?
Is that is that what you're

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picturing sort of like, you
know, half man, probably man

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from the waist up.
OK, but I will also accept goat

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from the waist up.
And then human bottom.

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Half.
I will accept that as well, but

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are you?
Picturing most likely human man

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waist up and then goat waist
down like a Seder, you know,

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like pan, is that what you're
picturing?

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Or like, you know, classic
satanic imagery, Is that what

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you're picturing?
Because that's what I was

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picturing.
And if this story was set in the

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probably hundreds of other towns
in every state in America.

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Because my research is showing
me that there are so many.

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Goat men all over the place.
So if this story was set

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literally anywhere else in
America, you would be right.

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That's what we would be talking
about a a 1/2 man half goat

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hybrid creature.
Although now I'm you know, I'm

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curious if.
Any of the goat men in the rest

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of the country or anywhere in
the world have a human bottom

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half and a goat top half?
Let me know Madam

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strangeways@gmail.com Are you a
goat man?

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I want to hear from you Madam
strangeways@gmail.com.

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Let me know, we'll have you on
the show.

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But this goat man in this story
is is not that at all.

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It's just crazy to me.
This is not what I was expecting

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from the story.
I was expecting cut and dry goat

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man Cryptid crypted adjacent.
Urban.

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Legend.
That's what I was picturing.

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But no, because it's Texas, so
of course it's not going to be

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normal.
It's going to be bad.

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And I was.
Listen, I was, I was born and

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raised in Texas.
So I am allowed to be

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disappointed in my state.
OK I'm allowed.

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But before we get into what I'm
talking about, first we will

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discuss the folklore and the
urban legend itself around the

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old Elton Bridge.
And also along the way we'll

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just see exactly how urban
legends and honestly folklore at

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this point can change and morph
so quickly, especially in the

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age of social media and and a
post 2010 Internet.

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I feel like 2010 is a is a
pretty good.

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I've just made that up.
I don't know, is there studies

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on this?
I feel like 2010 things started

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to change pretty drastically
pretty quickly.

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But prior to 2010, the Internet
was kind of like.

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I don't know.
It was different.

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It was a different place.
It was like the web, you know,

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and now it's the Internet.
So Speaking of the Internet,

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we're going to start with
Wikipedia.

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So the old Alton Bridge located
in Copper Canyon in Denton

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County, Texas.
Here we go.

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Locally the bridge is known as
Goat Man's Bridge as it is said

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to be haunted by 1/2 man half
goat figure called Goat Man.

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So you think just?
Wait, the belief.

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Is based on the legend of a
black goat farmer.

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Oh.
This is where I go.

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Oh no.
Named Oscar Washburn, who was

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said to have moved his family to
a residence just north of the

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bridge a few years later,
Washburn having become known as

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a dependable and honest
businessman and dubbed the Goat

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Man by locals.
Hence the goat man displayed.

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A sign on Alton Bridge reading
this way to the Goat Man.

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But the success of a black man
was still unwelcome to many and

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in August 1938 Klansmen and the
local government crossed the

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bridge and kidnapped Washburn
from his family.

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Yeah, see, do you see what I'm
saying?

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I was like, Oh no, like this is
not where I thought this was

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going.
They hung.

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A noose on Old Alton Bridge and
after securing it around his

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neck threw him over the side.
All because he was a a

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successful black man, which is
crazy.

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When they looked down to see if
he had died, the noose was

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empty.
In a.

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Panic.
They returned to his family home

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and slaughtered his wife and
children.

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I don't understand.
What do you mean?

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You know what I'm saying?
Say like, I guess maybe they

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thought he escaped.
Maybe that's the panic they

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thought he escaped.
And.

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So that was, I don't know what
what I mean.

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You know what?
I'm never going to be able to

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put myself.
In the shoes of the KKK to

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figure out what's going on in
their mind.

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So I guess there's not even any
point in trying but like.

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Even like, say they thought that
Oh my God, he's got some sort of

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like supernatural evil power.
Like if they're thinking, oh,

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this is witchcraft, this is, you
know, perhaps voodoo is maybe

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what they're thinking.
But then if you think that

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there's like witchcraft or
voodoo afoot, why would you then

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go and murder his whole family?
Because now you're going to be

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in more trouble.
Like you were in trouble before,

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right?
But then like, now you're in

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super trouble.
I just don't understand.

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I don't.
I don't get this at all.

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But like I said, there's a.
Reason.

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I'm not going to get it anyway.
Locals warn that if you cross

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the bridge at night without
headlights, as the Klansmen are

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said to have done.
Like in.

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Their Klansmen car, which I
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You will be.
Met on the other side.

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By the Goat Man Ghostly figures
in strange lights are said to

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appear in the surrounding woods,
as well as reports of visitors

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being touched, grabbed, and
having rocks thrown at them.

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This legend results in the area
around Old Elton Bridge being

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popular among paranormal
investigators, such as the

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cruise from Ghost Adventures and
BuzzFeed Unsolved Supernatural.

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I have less than no interest in
whatever those two shows have

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said about the show, so about
this urban legend.

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So I have no idea what they've
said, what they found.

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Don't know, not going to look,
not interested.

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So if you know I would be.
Interested to hear after you

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listen to this episode, how much
of their of the overlap was

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there?
How much overlap was there?

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Good God, and words are hard
sometimes people.

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All right, So first of all,
there's it's just not what hold

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on.
Like what do you mean?

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What do you mean?
Because we start out saying it's

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said to be haunted by 1/2 man,
half goat figure called the goat

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man.
But then we find out that the

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goat man was just a black.
Guy who was killed by the KKK or

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not killed if he disappeared.
From the noose.

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You know.
I'm attempted murder at A at a

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minimum, there was an attempted
murder.

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So how did he turn into a half
man, half goat figure?

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What do you mean?
What do you mean?

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And then also why is the goat
man the bad guy?

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Why is the goat man the one
that's that's like haunting

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people there and like touching
them, grabbing them and throwing

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rocks at them?
Or like there's other versions

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of the story that we'll get into
where like you can see his

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glowing eyes at night.
Why is Why are his eyes glowing?

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He's a victim.
That guy didn't do anything.

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Oscar Washburn, he did the goat
man.

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He didn't do anything.
So what are the odds that

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someone that sells goats is
going to in death come back as

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1/2 man, half guy?
I don't know like.

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So you had the name goat Man
before you turned into a goat.

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Like I don't, I don't, I'm not
following.

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I'm not following.
But also, I do also hate that

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the the goat man is now the bad
guy.

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But like I said, he's a victim.
Why is he why is he the bad guy?

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Because we're in Texas, That's
why.

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All right, moving on, we're
going to start with something

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from the Denton Public Library.
Also, by the way, pause.

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So like I said, this is in
Denton County, but technically

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it's located in Copper Canyon.
Denton County is about an hour

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away from Dallas, maybe like 45
minutes.

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It just depends on where you are
in Dallas, but it's pretty close

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to Dallas.
Denton's very like eclectic and

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weirding and cool.
And there's actually this guy, I

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don't know if he still does it,
but in my research I found

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pictures of someone that dresses
up like with the cool like

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stilts that look like goat legs,
and he dresses up and he looks

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like the goat man and he goes on
the bridge.

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I don't know how often he does
it, but.

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If you have heard.
Someone that went to the bridge,

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they might have seen just this
guy who's dressed up as the goat

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man.
It's.

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Possible.
I don't know.

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But here is an excerpt from an
article on the Denton Public

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Library website where they're
talking about, like, is this

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story true?
Like, did Oscar Washburn ever

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exist?
Like, da, da, da, da, da.

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So I'm just going to read it.
So they say.

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I have searched.
Local historians have searched

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and paranormal investigators and
even reporters have tried to

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verify the existence of Oscar
Washburn, who is, reminder, the

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goat man.
We have found that there was a

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man named Oscar Washburn who
married in Denton County, but he

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was white and the family moved
very quickly to Young County.

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So obviously he wasn't murdered
there.

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And he maybe, maybe he had
goats, I don't know.

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Unclear.
Researchers have combed through

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the August 1938 issue of the
Denton Record Chronicle seeking

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any mention of the incident at
the Alton Bridge to no avail.

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Granted, news about African
American citizens was not often

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reported in the local papers,
but bad news or sensational

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items like this were more likely
to make mention.

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We all know the Internet has
changed many facets of our

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lives.
This is one example of its

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impact.
It has changed the nature of our

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urban legends.
What was once told in the oral

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tradition and accepted as just a
story can now be morphed into

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fact once it's put into print.
One can find the story of Mr.

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Washburn perpetuated in many
places without the simple

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statement legend tells of a
preceding it.

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That statement or one similar
maintains the tale as folklore

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and not presented as historical
fact.

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And that is exactly what I have
found in my research is that

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this is just so interesting
because I have not yet

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researched urban legends
specifically for the show yet.

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I love urban legends.
I love them so much.

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I just have not gone down many
rabbit holes about them.

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Somehow some strange miracle I
haven't O going down it.

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There's so many versions of this
story and everybody and their

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grandmother has a version of it
that's a little bit different

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from the last one.
But I just wanted to, I wanted

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to open with that so that you
can understand there may not

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have actually been a person
named Oscar Washburn.

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You know, we can't verify if
there was.

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But of course, that doesn't
change the fact that lots of

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black people were lynched and
murdered at the hands of the

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KKK.
So that part of the story is

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absolutely, unequivocably true.
It's just a matter of whether

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this specific character in the
specific story ever existed.

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And I don't think it really
matters if he did.

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But again I.
Do have a problem?

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With him being turned into a
monster, he's villainized.

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It should be that bridge should
be haunted by Ku Klux Klan

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members.
Not a man who was murdered.

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And then turned into, OK, I'm
going to stop.

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But you're getting what I'm
saying, right?

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But kind of on that topic, the
website wedentondoit.com, I

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think it's like a joke on like
we didn't do it, but it's

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Denton.
We Denton do it.

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I don't know.
Anyway, on that site they had

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some interesting comments as
well.

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So one thing said the ghostly
goat man only spirits away those

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with the bloodlines of Klansmen
or slave owners into the woods

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for his terrible revenge.
So if you go to the bridge, you

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know, you do the like lights off
with your car, you go onto the

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bridge.
Some of the rules are like you

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have to flash your lights or
some of it's like you have to

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honk 3 times.
Some of it's like you have to do

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it on Halloween, you know,
whatever.

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But the point is, this version
of the story says that if you

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have blood in your veins related
to the Klansman who did this to

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him.
Then he will get his revenge on

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you, but if you don't, you're
safe.

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Now, I thought it was really
interesting that apparently, and

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this is also from that site, we
didn't doit.com.

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There is also another variation
that predates the bridge itself

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and this account that may go
back as far as the 1860s Texas

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troubles.
Some Copper Canyon Cowboys

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lynched a Creole slave goat
herder named I feel like I said

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that sentence word, we're going
to start over.

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Some Copper Canyon Cowboys
lynched a Creole slave goat

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herder named Jack Kindle from a
tall Creekside tree near where

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the bridge now stands.
But ineptitude separated the

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runaway slave's head from his
body, which is so fucked.

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UI mean the whole.
Thing is fucked, U OK?

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The slavers then watched in
horror as the headless body

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raised itself from the Creek bed
mud.

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Animated by voodoo.
Of course it's voodoo.

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He seemed like come on and
ripped off the head of a nearby

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goat to replace his own, still
dangling on the noose.

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OK OK you see again we're
villainizing.

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We're villainizing the victim
here again, which is just so

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sick.
But also, I want to make sure

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that everybody understands when
it says Creole slave, I mean,

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we're basically just talking
about another black man who was.

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Murdered and then turned into
the goat man.

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But again, he's the.
Monster, not the Copper Canyon

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Cowboys.
And I think we can probably

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maybe what we would call them
Cowboys.

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I think Cowboys, I guess.
Can you be a cowboy?

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I don't think I don't think you
could be a cowboy and also

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commit atrocities.
I feel like the cowboy code is

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what is it.
It's like be rootin, be tootin

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and by.
God be kind.

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What is it?
Come on, hold on.

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I got to look this up.
OK, I was really close.

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Be rootin, be tootin and by God
be shooting.

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But most of all, be.
Kind you see it often.

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With like a little.
Picture of a.

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Possum wearing a little cowboy
hat.

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I don't know where this came
from, but this is what I'm

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saying.
This is now the cowboy creed and

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let me tell you what a little
possum cowboy is not going to do

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is murder a man, let alone
accidentally decapitate a man

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especially.
Not for the.

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Color of his skin so.
You know, are they Cowboys or

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were they Ku Klux Klan members?
Well, I've got answers.

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For you actually.
Because according to NBCDFW,

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research has also uncovered
details of Ku Klux Klan activity

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in Denton County during the
1920s.

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And then after I was looking at
that page, I discovered this

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amazing multi part podcast
series all about the old Elton

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Bridge and the Goat man.
And it is absolutely packed with

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facts and history.
And if you're even remotely

451
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,560
interested in this topic, please
check this guy's show out.

452
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,160
It's called Buried Secrets
Podcast.

453
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,240
And he has like, I mean, I don't
know.

454
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,080
I mean, like it's at least 5
episodes.

455
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,040
It's probably 6 episodes
specifically on this topic.

456
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,360
I could have totally listened to
that entire series and actually

457
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:11,280
just used all of his research.
But I don't do things the easy

458
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,920
way, you know, I sure don't.
But here is what I will share

459
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,960
with you is he shares in his
research that Denton even had

460
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,640
its own chapter of the Ku Klux
Klan.

461
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,280
So Dallas had a chapter, Fort
Worth had a chapter, I think, I

462
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,840
think Denton's came later.
But they had a KKK chapter,

463
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,200
which you know, OK, well not
great, not great.

464
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:38,480
But again, look at where we are.
So allegedly by the mid 1920's

465
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,760
the Klan had between 3:00 and
8:00 million members, which is a

466
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,160
really pick.
What do you mean?

467
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,800
You know, like minimally
3,000,000 but at Max 8 million

468
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,120
members.
That just feels like a really

469
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:54,720
big jump, but I guess you know.
They're not going to.

470
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,000
They're hiding under bed sheets,
right?

471
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,320
They don't want.
You to see their faces.

472
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,520
So I guess it is kind of hard
to.

473
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,120
Count.
Anyway, I'm not sure what those

474
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:07,720
numbers would look like in 1938
because that's when this story

475
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,640
supposedly happened.
But in the 20s, it wasn't good

476
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,560
because I will say Texas had
more racial lynchings than any

477
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:21,000
other state in 1922, according
to the research from the podcast

478
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,760
Buried Secrets.
So it's not looking great.

479
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:28,120
It's not looking great.
So to quote Buried Secrets, who

480
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:32,400
quoted Micah Crittenden's thesis
on the subject of racial

481
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,800
violence in Denton, TX
Specifically, despite the best

482
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,680
efforts of white supremacist
sympathizers at Containment, the

483
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,840
truth leaks out through folklore
stories like that of the Goat

484
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,960
Man's signal to a violent past
without direct indictment of the

485
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,880
participants.
I mean, I think it's.

486
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,320
Pretty clear that that's kind of
what we're seeing here with the

487
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,040
Goat Man story is that it feels
like Goat Man.

488
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,560
Who is kind?
Of all over the place and pretty

489
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,880
famous seems to have been kind
of Co opted to tell this story,

490
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,120
although again, I really can't
stress it up how much I hate

491
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,000
that the goat.
Man is not the villain, although

492
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,080
I guess if he's.
Exacting revenge on Klansmen

493
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,640
descendants.
I feel like I'll allow it, but I

494
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,440
don't love it.
All right, I probably.

495
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,960
Should have opened with this,
but you know what, we're just

496
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,520
going to go with that.
I want to talk a little bit

497
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,520
about the bridge itself, The
bridge.

498
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,360
The bridge also, it's funny
because we're talking about what

499
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,640
is basically seems like a
Cryptid slash ghost, but more

500
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,400
Cryptid.
And then you got Mothman, and

501
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,520
Mothman is also associated with
the bridge.

502
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,760
And then there's.
So many goatmen at so many other

503
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,280
bridges.
What is it with bridges?

504
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:48,040
Is it the liminal sort of like
between two spaces thing?

505
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,600
Like what is it with bridges?
Bridges.

506
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,280
It's so interesting to me.
All right, so the bridge itself,

507
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:57,040
the old Alton Bridge, was built
in 1884 by the King Iron Bridge

508
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,720
Manufacturing Company.
OK, keep, stay awake.

509
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,320
All right, I.
Don't want to hear any.

510
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,240
Snoring.
Stay awake, Give Me a Minute.

511
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,000
And originally carried horses
and later automobiles over

512
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,440
Hickory Creek at a location that
was once a popular Ford for

513
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,680
crossing cattle.
Like in the Oregon Trail.

514
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,000
The bridge takes its name from
the abandoned community of

515
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,640
Alton, which between 1850 and
1856 was the seat of Denton

516
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,640
County.
This bridge is the subject of

517
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,120
several Ghost War.
Stories.

518
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,040
Featuring a vengeful ghost.
That's interesting.

519
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,560
The heavily travelled Old Alton
Bridge remained in constant use

520
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,760
until 2001, when vehicle traffic
was moved to an adjacent

521
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,400
concrete and steel bridge prior
to the new bridge.

522
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,520
This is the part that I was like
what?

523
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,520
Prior to the new bridge.
It was necessary for motorists

524
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,640
to signal with a car horn before
crossing the single lane span,

525
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,640
so to to get.
Over it you had to be.

526
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,880
Like beep beep Hong Hong, hello,
I'm going to be crossing.

527
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,520
It's a one way bridge.
Don't run into me please.

528
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,920
Or I don't know.
That's crazy to think about.

529
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,040
But also it then isn't that part
of the rule?

530
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,400
Is that like, oh, if you honk
twice, if you honk when you go

531
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,120
over the bridge, like is, is
that interesting?

532
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,720
Doesn't it feel like things are
just being conflated into the

533
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,080
rules and the urban legend and
the folklore put a pen in that.

534
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,800
So I wanted to see like, what
were people talking about

535
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,800
regarding this story prior to
now?

536
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,160
Like what were they talking
about as far back as I can go on

537
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,760
the Internet?
That's what I wanted to know.

538
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,920
So I found this
unexplained-mysteries.com forums

539
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,760
in 2006 and so there's some
pretty good comments that I want

540
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,880
to share.
So one says the legend is that

541
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,200
there was a lot of Satan
worshipping there because of

542
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,280
course.
Of course there was.

543
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,480
The legend is that.
There was a lot of Satan

544
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,760
worshipping there and they
managed to conjure up a half

545
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,600
goat half man type entity called
Goat Man.

546
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,280
First of all, Satan worshippers.
Satanists.

547
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,360
Are way more creative.
Satanists as a whole are way

548
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,120
more creative and wouldn't just
call a goat man goat man first

549
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,160
of all.
Anyway, back to the comment they

550
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,880
say.
Supposedly if you squint your

551
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,120
eyes you can see goat man OK,
Like just.

552
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,120
If I just squint my eyes.
All right, this is what people

553
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:10,880
are saying.
In 2000.

554
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,960
Six.
I've also heard that if you turn

555
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,160
your lights off and honk 3
times, goat man will appear.

556
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,440
Do you have to squint?
We're having to appear after

557
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,520
you've honked 3 times and turn
off the lights.

558
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,960
Or is the squinting not
necessary?

559
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,880
It doesn't specify.
OK, they wrap up with I didn't

560
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,640
find out about this until after
I got home so next time I'll go

561
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,960
try it.
Well they didn't come back and

562
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,560
tell us so either.
The goat man got them, they got

563
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,680
gutted.
By the goat man because their

564
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,360
great grandfather was in the KKK
or.

565
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,920
I don't know, they just never
tried it.

566
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,120
But then someone else comments
on that comment to correct them.

567
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,200
Because this is how urban
legends work, right?

568
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,640
So here's what they say in the.
Late. 1800s Denton was quite

569
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,560
small and Argyle where Goatman's
bridge is, which apparently the

570
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,880
bridge is also This is me.
This is Madam talking.

571
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,040
Apparently the bridge is also
occasionally referred to as the

572
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,480
Argyle Bridge and not just the
Alton Bridge, so just FYI.

573
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,600
Let's see.
In the late 1800s, Denton was

574
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,400
quite small and Argyle barely
existed.

575
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,440
There was a man that lived out
that way who owned several goats

576
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,440
and that was how he supported
himself.

577
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,880
Many of the merchants in Denton
thought that this old man to be

578
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,120
very odd.
This guy was a loner and no one

579
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,720
knew much about him.
Many of the older people in

580
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,440
Denton knew this guy and
remembered that his wife died

581
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,760
mysteriously.
A few of the men in Denton got

582
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,760
drunk and started riding around
the area.

583
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,480
I guess that's just what you did
back then, I guess.

584
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,720
That's just how you entertained
yourself as you just get drunk

585
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,080
and ride around looking for
trouble so.

586
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,200
They found the old loner herding
his goats late at night.

587
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,040
Which how often is that
happening?

588
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,680
Is that a common practice?
Goat herding at night?

589
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,000
Aren't the goats?
I feel like goats.

590
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,240
Aren't nocturnal?
Let me know, do you know?

591
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,360
Madam Strange Ways at Gmail.
Dot com Are goats nocturnal?

592
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,840
Anyway, then they drove the old
man and his goats off the

593
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,640
bridge.
Why?

594
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,520
Because his wife died
mysteriously.

595
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,360
What do you mean?
What's mysteriously?

596
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,240
Back then, in the late 1800s,
people were dying for so many

597
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,880
reasons, so many reasons.
In the 1800s, in the 1800s, were

598
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,440
we still calling cancer a
wasting disease?

599
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,400
You know, I feel like what?
What?

600
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,360
Do you mean mysterious?
Anyway, when the sheriff found

601
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,560
out about this, he investigated
and could no longer find the old

602
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,480
man or his goats.
Weird.

603
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,720
Weeks later, after an event in
the city, a family was crossing

604
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,680
the bridge and their wagon
again.

605
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,960
We're in wagon times.
How mysterious?

606
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,280
How?
How mysterious can deaths be?

607
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,680
You're you're riding a wagon.
You're you're dying from a paper

608
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,600
cup.
You know what I'm saying?

609
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,400
What do you mean mysterious?
OK, anyway, I'm going to.

610
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,200
We're going to continue, let's
see, weeks later after.

611
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,440
An event in the city, A family
was crossing the bridge in their

612
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,880
wagon and could hear odd noises
from underneath the bridge.

613
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,600
After they crossed the bridge,
they looked back and saw the man

614
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,520
staring at them, holding the
heads of goats, one under each

615
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,000
arm.
Well now why would he do that to

616
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,800
his own goats?
How high was the bridge?

617
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,239
Is it you?
Know what I'm saying?

618
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,040
I have.
Questions.

619
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,440
OK after they crossed the
bridge, they look back and I

620
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,800
want to reach them now.
The stories are that you can

621
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,920
hear the sounds of hooves on the
bridge and splashes in the

622
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,920
water, and some people say they
saw the man, but his head was a

623
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,600
goat's head.
Again, why is it a goat's head

624
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,040
though?
Just because you just because

625
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,040
you heard goats you're going to
turn into a goat and death.

626
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,719
I've questions they say I've
been to this bridge many times

627
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,400
and scared countless freshmen.
OK, so you can see really like

628
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,400
this is what people did with
this urban legend back in the

629
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,520
day, but I've never seen the
man.

630
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,360
I do admit that the bridge is an
unnerving at night and I have

631
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,280
heard the splashes and heard
weird sounds while standing on

632
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,480
the bridge.
I've also heard it's a place

633
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,960
Satanists hang out because of
course, but they finish with.

634
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,840
It's.
Definitely a good place to take

635
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,480
a girl if you want her to hang
all over you.

636
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,720
So OK, you can see the
motivation there, but isn't that

637
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,280
interesting?
Like just already, just in 2006,

638
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,440
you've got two people like no,
no, no, no, no, you've got it

639
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,520
wrong.
You've got it wrong.

640
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,560
What the actual story is is.
But then they still.

641
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,200
Mention of course.
All these stories have.

642
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:32,920
To like.
Oh, and.

643
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,520
I heard there were satanists
there.

644
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,160
Satanic Panic.
Like like left A.

645
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,640
Psychic scar, I would say.
It's not even a scar, A wound,

646
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:49,440
an open, seeping, subterrating
wound on society as a whole, and

647
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,760
it's just never going to go
away.

648
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,760
But wait, there's more.
Because.

649
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,480
Someone said again in 2006, I
think this is in the same forum,

650
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,360
that they had been there many
times over the years, but that

651
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,800
on their last trip they had
heard this weird screaming that

652
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,960
got louder and closer to them.
And they said upon looking a

653
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,400
little bit later we came across
a Bigfoot scream online which

654
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,040
sounded just like what we heard.
No one could believe it.

655
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,240
Did we really have a Bigfoot
encounter and is this really

656
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:18,920
another part of the Goatman
story?

657
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,320
Bigfoot, what are you doing
here?

658
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,360
Like what are you, what are you
doing here?

659
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,280
Bigfoot what?
What are you doing?

660
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,840
Get out of here.
But OK, 2006 it's not.

661
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,680
Quite far enough I mean
obviously for them to be sharing

662
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,720
these stories in 2006, they had
to have existed prior to 2006 in

663
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:37,680
order, you know for like the
operator game to have happened

664
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,800
on this for so far down this
story.

665
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,400
So here's the thing.
I've.

666
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,280
Got more stories?
For you, so earlier dating of

667
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,160
this story, so again, one of the
commenters on

668
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,960
unexplained-mysteries.com on the
forums there goes on to say I

669
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,080
used to drive up from Dallas to
see a girl from Louisville late

670
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,640
night sneaking out.
It was around 1997 and looking

671
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,320
for something to do.
She suggested we go check out

672
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,120
Goatman's Bridge because of the
myth.

673
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,360
Then he goes on to basically
explain that he had a Bigfoot

674
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,600
encounter right down to like the
rocks being thrown at him.

675
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,720
Which I should have mentioned it
earlier because that is

676
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:15,800
something that's mentioned in
the Wikipedia articles.

677
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,120
Throwing rocks.
Classic classic Bigfoot pastime

678
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,400
is having rocks thrown.
So is goat man just?

679
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,440
Is goat man a goat at all or is
he just a bigfooted man?

680
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,080
A Bigfoot?
Hmm, interesting.

681
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,760
Something to think about.
Here's another comment.

682
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,440
They go.
Growing up, I too heard the

683
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,840
legend.
In all the stories I never saw

684
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,680
anything strange but did
experience some strange things.

685
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,160
It was in the mid 1980s while in
high school.

686
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,000
OK, so we've gone from 1997.
Now we're in the mid 1980s,

687
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,480
let's say 85, right?
So then we also have another mid

688
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,240
80s story.
We used to go out to the Alton

689
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:55,800
Bridge, dubbed Goat Man's Bridge
back in high school days, mid

690
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,040
80s, we'd go out there late at
night on the weekend, crappy

691
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,000
little car loaded with
teenagers.

692
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,400
As our car would get close to
the bridge, everyone would

693
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,160
totally freak out.
It was so awesome to be that

694
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,720
genuinely scared.
It was like we were in our own

695
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,160
teenage scary movie.
Nothing ever happened.

696
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,480
It was just so dark out there.
Back in the mid 80s, that area

697
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,280
was considered way out in the
country, which contributed to

698
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,040
the scare factor.
So they were having a great

699
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,320
time.
They didn't even see the Goat

700
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,240
Man.
They didn't have any anything

701
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:26,720
happen to them just.
Just vibes, just vibes.

702
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,440
Let's go back to that.
That is the.

703
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,920
Kind of fear that I will never
experience again, you know what

704
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,720
I mean?
It's done.

705
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,440
I'm never going to get it back
again.

706
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,440
And I think that's what I'm
always chasing when I'm looking

707
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,400
for these like found footage
movies anyway.

708
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:41,440
None of those like 80s and 90s
stories that I found mentioned

709
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,360
Oscar Washburn at all.
Now, in 2006, that one commenter

710
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,600
did tell a story about a man
being run off the bridge, but it

711
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,080
didn't sound.
Like a hate.

712
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,120
Crime, at least the details in
the story as it was told by that

713
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,960
one person, did not give the
impression that it was a hate

714
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,040
crime, so it's probably not
racially motivated.

715
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,760
What I can definitely say is
that I went through the

716
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,720
Wikipedia history edits for the
old Elton Bridge page, and so I

717
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:12,000
did see that the page was
created in 2007 for the old

718
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,800
Elton Bridge, but the reference
of Goatman or Goatman's Bridge

719
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,160
being one of the names didn't
show up until March 2009.

720
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,120
Now to be fair, Wikipedia at the
time was not what it is today.

721
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:28,160
However, it was still widely
used it.

722
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,840
I mean I was using.
Wikipedia.

723
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,600
Back then I was trying to edit
Wikipedia.

724
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,240
Back then, I just wasn't very
good at it.

725
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,720
And so I didn't do a very good
job, but I was trying so anyone

726
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,840
could do it at that time,
especially like kids in college

727
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,120
were using Wikipedia in in 2007,
2008, 2009.

728
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:48,400
So the reference to the Goat
Man's Bridge didn't even show up

729
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,000
until 2009.
In 2007, it was just a really

730
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,560
short article about like, hey,
there's this old bridge.

731
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,720
It existed.
It was made a historical site.

732
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,240
Like that's basically it.
Then in 2009 someone edits it

733
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:05,200
and says, oh by the way, also
you know, it's referencing Goat

734
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,680
Man's bridge.
And maybe that there's like some

735
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,200
hauntings going on there.
Then the story about the

736
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,440
murdered black man Oscar
Washburn didn't get added to

737
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,680
Wikipedia until March 2010.
So three years after the

738
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,960
Wikipedia article for The Bridge
Goes Up, finally Oscar Washburn

739
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,440
is mentioned.
Then on Halloween 20, 2010, woo

740
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,400
someone.
Added quote UN quote.

741
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,720
Locally, the bridge is known as
Goat Man's Bridge.

742
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:36,560
Do a do a legendary demonic
seder of the same name who is

743
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,000
popularly believed to inhabit
the forest surrounding the area.

744
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,320
I was so interested.
But there was.

745
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:47,560
No source listed, of course.
No source, of course, Of course.

746
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,400
That's everyone's problem with
Wikipedia.

747
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,600
Because it is a problem.
People don't list sources.

748
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,240
It's so frustrating.
So I couldn't find anything

749
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:59,560
about a legendary demonic seder.
I couldn't find anything.

750
00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:02,640
Everything that is there around
the area is just about the goat

751
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:03,680
man.
And there's so many different

752
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,120
versions.
Anyway, this is just how urban

753
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,320
legends work, You know?
It's going to be so difficult,

754
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,560
if not completely impossible, in
order to like, trace this legend

755
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,680
back to its earliest form and
figure out when did Oscar

756
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,880
Washburn first get introduced
into the story?

757
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,920
Why did we name him?
Why did we name him what we

758
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,680
named him?
I just have so many questions,

759
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,080
But hold on a second.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

760
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,920
Because this was so crazy.
This was such an interesting

761
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,600
find.
So, all right, Oscar Washburn,

762
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:34,880
who, like we said, doesn't seem
to have actually ever existed,

763
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,400
but possibly existed, maybe just
not under that name.

764
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,720
Oscar Washburn was said to have
murdered.

765
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,120
Wow.
Was said to have been murdered

766
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,200
by the Ku Klux Klan in 1938.
And reminder, local historians

767
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,200
have never found evidence to
support this claim.

768
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,720
Although, of course, like I
said, lynchings and murders of

769
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,920
black people wasn't exactly
uncommon, at least in the decade

770
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,640
prior.
So keep that year in mind.

771
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,520
Put a pin in that for later
1938, OK, Just before World War

772
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,240
2 started.
Also War of the Worlds.

773
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,480
I think that's right.
I feel pretty confident.

774
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,360
War of the Worlds, Orson Welles,
that came out 1938.

775
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,000
Get it, Got it.
OK, cool, here we go.

776
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,520
So as I'm looking for the
earliest recorded reference, I

777
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,960
mean, at least online, because
that's what I've got to work

778
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,520
with.
I just want to find the earliest

779
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,960
reference to this Washburn
character, or at least more

780
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,800
broadly.
You know, I'm trying to figure

781
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,360
out what are people saying about
the old Altman Bridge as as far

782
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,760
back as I can go.
So I found this blog from 2008

783
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,280
listing like over at least 100
of Texas's most haunted places.

784
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,920
And of course, at the very first
I searched for, I did a Control

785
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,200
F for Alton thinking that's
going to bring me straight to

786
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,800
the Alton Bridge.
No, the first thing and actually

787
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,560
only thing that pulls up for
Alton is the Alton bus crash ex.

788
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,200
Squeeze me baking powder.
What are you?

789
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,880
Talking about this isn't even
the same Alton, Texas.

790
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,600
This is a different Alton,
Texas.

791
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,320
This one's in the Rio Grande
Valley.

792
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:03,120
Rio Grande Rio Grande.
This one's in Rio Grande Valley.

793
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,280
A school bus crash.
A school.

794
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,640
Bus crash resulted in the deaths
of 20.

795
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,680
This isn't funny.
I shouldn't be laughing here.

796
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,120
It's actually really not funny.
A school bus crash.

797
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,360
Resulted in the deaths of 21.
This is real, this is not an

798
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,040
urban legend.
And the deaths of 21 junior and

799
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,200
Senior High School students by
drowning after the bus was

800
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,400
crashed into and thrown into a
rock pit by a Doctor Pepper

801
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,520
truck of all things.
Texans love Doctor Pepper.

802
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,840
That must have been such a
betrayal on that day.

803
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,080
This is 1989.
I don't think I mentioned it in

804
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,520
1989.
So since the tragedy, people

805
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,440
have claimed to hear the screams
of children at the accident

806
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,200
site, though most of the locals
figure that it's just teens

807
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,480
hanging around the area.
Some people even claim to have

808
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,680
seen figures sitting on the
ledge of the pit.

809
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,800
So what do you mean?
There's two Altons in Texas and

810
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,960
both of them have a haunting
situation That's near a bridge

811
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,240
on a bridge.
What are the odds?

812
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,440
OK, so in my research I saw.
Someone on Reddit say that they

813
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,760
remembered when the crash
happened and that the news

814
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,560
coverage of it was crazy, and
they specifically remembered

815
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,960
hearing a rumor that they had
found children's fingerprints

816
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,840
and handprints on the back of
the bus as if ghost children had

817
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,520
pushed the bus.
I kind of.

818
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,360
Don't know where that was going.
I'm not really sure what the

819
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,080
intent was there.
Like why would the ghost

820
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,680
children push push the bus?
That's overkill.

821
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,720
I mean they were already hit by
a truck.

822
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:35,400
I don't fully get it, but the
point is is they remembered

823
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,360
hearing rumors that there were
finger little children

824
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,040
fingerprints found on the back
of the bus.

825
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:43,480
When I say children, I mean
teenagers just to be clear.

826
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,560
Anyway though, I got the
impression that they were kind

827
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,640
of misremembering what happened
because so many of these stories

828
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,320
are so similar.
Because as soon as they

829
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,360
mentioned fingerprints on the
back of the bus, I was brought

830
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:58,520
back.
To the thing.

831
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,920
That immediately came to mind
when Kai sent this story.

832
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,480
When I saw the subject of Kai's
e-mail and it was like, I don't

833
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,960
remember honestly, but there's
something about a bridge and I I

834
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,400
saw that it was in Texas.
I was like, Oh my gosh, I know

835
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,160
what story he's talking about.
Spoiler alert, I didn't know

836
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,840
what story he was talking about,
but I immediately thought of

837
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,320
this story about, OK, there was
an urban legend that I remember

838
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:27,120
hearing on a country music
station and the 90s that I

839
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,280
listened to.
I told you I was born and raised

840
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,280
in Texas.
That's just a rite of passage.

841
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,080
You listen to a lot of country
music and I was listening to

842
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,520
this like really inappropriate
for children afternoon country

843
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:43,720
station show where, you know,
the DJs would do pranks and like

844
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:46,720
have calls and whatever.
But one of the things that they

845
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:50,480
did was it was this like, you
know, this duo and they both

846
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,280
maybe they both or maybe just
one of them went.

847
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:57,160
Anyway, there was an urban
legend of a railroad.

848
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,520
I thought it was a bridge.
It's not.

849
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,280
It's a railroad where if you
park your car over it because

850
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:08,000
it's at the, it's at the sight
of a horrible tragic bus

851
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,280
accident where a train smashed
into a a school bus and killed

852
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,880
all the children.
So if you park your car on the

853
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:22,200
railroad tracks, you will get
pushed over the the railroad

854
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,360
tracks into safety and then when
you get.

855
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,840
Out of your car and you look at
your trunk, you're going to see

856
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,240
if you have dusted the back of
your car with talcum powder.

857
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,440
Obviously, what you have to do
first, if you've done that,

858
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,120
you'll see tiny little.
Children's fingerprints where

859
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,720
they have pushed your car off of
the railway into safety.

860
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,600
Now when I was listening to this
as a child, as a teenager.

861
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,880
The guy that was in the car was
for freaking out.

862
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,480
I think he was.
I don't think he was acting.

863
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,160
I think he was genuinely freaked
out.

864
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,400
It was as it was happening, so I
totally believed in it.

865
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:58,760
Scared the living crap out of
me.

866
00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:02,040
Anyway, that's what I was
thinking when Kaisen his story,

867
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,080
I was so excited.
I was like, oh, I remember

868
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,480
hearing about the story.
It's not the same story.

869
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,440
But then when this guy on Reddit
is talking about the Alton bus

870
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,640
crash, which is not the same
thing that I remember hearing

871
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,880
from the country station when he
starts talking about the the

872
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,680
kids fingerprints on the back of
the bus.

873
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,440
That's what it reminded me of.
And so then I'm like, well, hold

874
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,280
on a second.
It seems like this ghost story

875
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,560
or urban legend, whatever is
kind of common.

876
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,600
So maybe I should look up the
original story that I was

877
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,400
picturing.
Well, I start with trying to

878
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,200
find the railroad railroad car
story and pretty quickly I find

879
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,080
the ghost story of the ghost
tracks in San Antonio, which is

880
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,680
exactly, I guess what I was
looking for.

881
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,840
I didn't remember it being in
San Antonio in my head.

882
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,280
It was kind of up near Oklahoma
for some reason.

883
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,240
But you know, whatever.
Memories are fallible, as I am

884
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:52,440
constantly saying on the show.
So turns out it was in San

885
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,360
Antonio, and I found this
information on

886
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,680
rivercityghosts.com.
So listen, pause.

887
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,640
We're not there yet, but do you
remember the year that you're

888
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:05,280
supposed to remember?
Do you remember the year 1938?

889
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,840
Yes.
Cool, cool, cool, cool.

890
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:07,880
All right, we're going to
continue.

891
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,560
So the urban legend of the ghost
tracks in San Antonio goes a

892
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,320
little something like this.
A school bus, like I said, full

893
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,440
of children stalled on the
tracks one foggy afternoon where

894
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,160
there was 0 visibility and it
was hit by an oncoming train,

895
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,200
killing the children and the
driver.

896
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,920
Now, today it's said that if you
stop your car on the San Antonio

897
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,520
Haunted tracks and of course
first apply talcum powder to.

898
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,480
Your bumper ghostly child hands
will push.

899
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,680
You to safety and leave eerie
prints in the talcum powder that

900
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,480
you dusted on your bumper ahead
of time.

901
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,280
And we're just going to ignore
the fact that if you went out to

902
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,960
your car right now and dusted
talcum powder on the bumper near

903
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:51,280
your trunk, that you would
probably also see fingerprints

904
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,720
and finger marks because the
oils on your hands are left

905
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,680
behind on the car.
And then the talcum powder kind

906
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,720
of like sticks to it.
And the.

907
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:00,920
Anyway, we're going to ignore
that.

908
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,240
Listen, we're talking about the
San Antonio haunted ghost

909
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,000
tracks, OK?
Listen, it's scary.

910
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,880
Remember how scary the story is?
And the school bus full of

911
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,720
children and they were ran into
by a train and they're all dead

912
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:17,040
now.
And that all would be so scary

913
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,720
if any of it had actually
happened in San Antonio.

914
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,880
But it didn't.
It was actually a real thing

915
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,720
that happened in Utah, which is
very far from Texas I should

916
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:30,160
say, and the actual event was
called the.

917
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,760
South Jordan train bus collision
does exactly as it.

918
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,720
Said on the 10 in which 20?
Three children and the driver

919
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:41,600
were killed again in Utah.
First of all, how did it even

920
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:42,200
get?
Here how?

921
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,680
Did how did that happen?
How did that story end up in San

922
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,400
Antonio as being part of the
lore?

923
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,200
It doesn't make any sense to me
anyway.

924
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,920
It's in Utah, the South Jordan
train bus collision.

925
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,720
What year do you think that
happened?

926
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,520
What year do you think in Utah
the South Jordan train bus

927
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,640
collision happened?
Yeah, it was 1938.

928
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,360
Good job.
Absolutely Gold Star for you.

929
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,320
The same year that the seemingly
fictional Oscar Washburn was

930
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,400
said to have been thrown over
the old Alton Bridge.

931
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,720
So you see all this conflation
going around.

932
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:23,600
You see all of how like these
little tiny little bits of other

933
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,520
stories and other hauntings and
other urban legends all get

934
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,680
grabbed and put together and
then shaken up and then you

935
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,440
can't tell where one came from
or where the other one came

936
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,280
from.
It's like a it's like a

937
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,000
potpourri.
It's like a potpourri of urban

938
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:38,960
life.
What else is it like?

939
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,280
I don't know.
I like potpourri.

940
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,480
Let me know.
You let me know.

941
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,120
Madam strangeways@gmail.com.
How else would you describe

942
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,920
this?
But isn't that crazy?

943
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,520
1938 How was that specific year
coming up on both of these

944
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,600
stories and especially for that
one that have come from Utah and

945
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,880
then end up in San Antonio and
then when I heard the story from

946
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,560
Kai I.
Immediately thought of the San

947
00:50:58,560 --> 00:50:59,680
Antonio.
One, even though I didn't

948
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,080
remember that it was in San
Antonio.

949
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,920
So you can see how easy it is.
To confuse all these stories

950
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,440
because they're all so similar,
so real quick, I want to.

951
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,760
Touch on one.
Paranormal investigation, not

952
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,680
one of the televised.
Ones but the association for the

953
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,440
study.
Of unexplained phenomena,

954
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:21,240
phenomena in Texas, Aesop, ASUP,
I'm calling it Aesop.

955
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:23,360
Is that what they call it?
I don't know, but that's what

956
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,280
I'm going to call it.
So ASAP was invited to come to

957
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,760
the bridge to further research
efforts by Denton Paranormal

958
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,960
Investigation, a group that has
since merged with Aesop, which

959
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,640
by the way, I got this from the
Aesop site, but I got it from

960
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,160
the Wayback Machine from
Wayback.

961
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,680
So who knows what it says now at
this point.

962
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,960
Anyway, they had made the PET.
Wow.

963
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,120
They had made the bridge a pet
project, and they are the

964
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,000
official caretakers of the
bridge as part of a county Adopt

965
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,800
A Highway program.
Isn't that fun?

966
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,760
Now, the Internet Archive
version of this page on the ASAP

967
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:01,080
website goes on to say that
ASAP, of course, is best known

968
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,880
as the original 1970s
investigators of The Amityville

969
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,720
Horror case.
And the book's foremost

970
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:11,640
debunkers?
As you can tell, I'm confused.

971
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,560
Because I have never heard of
ASAP, I would have remembered

972
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,720
it.
ASAP sounds so funny, like

973
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,880
saying it out loud.
And if it's if it's one thing

974
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,320
that will stick in my brain,
it's like a vocal stem or a

975
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,560
vocal tick.
And ASAP absolutely is one of

976
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,440
those.
So it would have stuck with me,

977
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,400
but you know me, I went down a
little rabbit hole so that I

978
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,520
could fully understand what the
heck's going on.

979
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:38,680
So if you're curious, Aesop was
founded by Rick Moran.

980
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,120
Now I was like, OK, Rick Moran.
Now we're getting somewhere.

981
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,440
This name is familiar, and not
just because it sounds like Rick

982
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,040
Moranis.
This is Rick Moran, which is why

983
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,960
that's why it's familiar to me
as I thought Rick Moranis the

984
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,280
first time I read about Rick
Moran when I was doing research

985
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,680
for my Amityville deep dive
episode.

986
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,840
So apparently Rick Moran along
with Peter Jordan were the ones

987
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,880
that debunked a bunch of stuff
with the Amityville house and

988
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,680
they specifically discovered
that the police had not actually

989
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,840
been called to the house by the
Lutzes.

990
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,160
And they also were the ones that
proved that there had been no

991
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,920
snowfall when the Lutzes claimed
to have discovered cloven hoof

992
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,800
prints in the snow.
So that's who they are.

993
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,000
I don't know why ASAP is acting
like they were involved because

994
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,400
I don't.
I can't find.

995
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:26,640
Anywhere and it doesn't.
Matter.

996
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,240
Here's the point.
I can't escape the Warrens.

997
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,080
I can't escape the Warrens,
Y'all, they follow me

998
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,680
everywhere.
It's it's crazy.

999
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,960
It's like they're haunting me.
Anyway, Speaking of hoof prints,

1000
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,960
which is such a fun word, and
it's just, it's just one word.

1001
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,280
There's no space.
Hoof prints one single word.

1002
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,600
Anyway, the ASAP site goes on to
say this about their

1003
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,040
investigation of the old Alton
Bridge.

1004
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,560
They have also recorded the
sound of horses hooves crossing

1005
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,560
the bridge when there were no
horses present, and one

1006
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,200
investigator walking with her
German Shepherd dog has seen a

1007
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,000
horseman dressed in dark
clothing galloping toward them,

1008
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,880
then disappearing without
leaving tracks on the path.

1009
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,360
Both the dog and I heard and saw
him, but he disappeared as he

1010
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,200
made a turn under some bushes
and didn't emerge on the other

1011
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,640
side.
The ground was damp and hoof

1012
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,040
prints should have been obvious,
but I couldn't find any, she

1013
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,360
noted.
I where do I begin?

1014
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,360
First of all, what's the dog's
name?

1015
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,600
Why is that not in the article?
I feel like that's important.

1016
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,560
Secondly, I also.
Can't escape the headless.

1017
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,720
Horseman.
Now that I've talked about him,

1018
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:37,880
he's also haunting me.
Thirdly, is it hoof prints like

1019
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,680
from a is it or is it horse,
horse?

1020
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,440
Why?
Why is it horses hoof prints

1021
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,600
that you're hearing when we've
heard a story about goats when

1022
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,120
there's goats?
Why isn't it goat hooves on the

1023
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,880
bridge?
But fourthly, doesn't it seem

1024
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,440
like maybe?
If you were in the dark doing a

1025
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,480
scary paranormal investigation
and you're on a bridge and

1026
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,760
there's a famous story about a
bridge and A and a Headless

1027
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:09,200
Horseman that maybe.
You'd imagine a horseman if

1028
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,080
you're spending a while
investigating paranormal

1029
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,320
activity on a bridge.
OK, she didn't say he was

1030
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,480
headless.
But I think we can all

1031
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,320
understand where I'm coming
from.

1032
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,240
OK, we're going to wrap it up
with other goat men that I

1033
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:26,160
mentioned way earlier.
So these are from

1034
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,880
ghostandsouls.wordpress.com and
theshadowlands.net.

1035
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,880
I think you might have to go to
the Wayback Machine to get both

1036
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,440
of these, but it's fine.
So these are just in Texas.

1037
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,040
These are just the goat men in
Texas, and there may be more

1038
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,320
that I don't know about.
So first of all, we're going in

1039
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,640
alphabetical order.
We've got Burke Burnett.

1040
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:50,000
Burke Burnett, not sure, Goat
Man's bridge at Gilbert's Creek.

1041
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:54,880
There was a man who was man from
head to waist and goat from

1042
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,160
waist down.
OK, so we still haven't found.

1043
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:04,760
We still haven't found the man.
Who is a man from waist down and

1044
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,200
then a goat from head to waist.
Still looking for still looking

1045
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,040
for that?
e-mail me

1046
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,680
madamstrangechoice@gmail.com.
Hold on.

1047
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,720
But Burke?
Burnett continues to say.

1048
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:15,960
The comments says.
I have also heard that a few

1049
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,280
miles back behind the bridge is
a church, but not just any

1050
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,800
church, but a satanic church.
Of course, of course it's a

1051
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,560
satanic church.
Then we've got Cleburne.

1052
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:30,160
Old Foamy I guess is a stream.
It says when you go to this.

1053
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,040
Little water stream you go, you
go at night, turn off your

1054
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,800
headlights and honk 3 times.
Huh?

1055
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,040
Isn't that interesting?
It's like we didn't we just talk

1056
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:40,080
about that.
Didn't we haven't?

1057
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,360
We heard that, haven't we?
OK, then a goat man will appear

1058
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,160
in front of you.
Others say strange things

1059
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,040
happened to your car.
Unclear.

1060
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,800
Next on the list we've got files
Valley the goat man.

1061
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:57,480
Tunnel footsteps, woman
screaming, odd lights stained,

1062
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,680
blood dripping from top of
tunnel.

1063
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,880
Cool.
Next, alphabetically we've got

1064
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,680
Hamilton, Hamilton, TX, Pecan
Creek Trail, another goat man.

1065
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,600
You have to crawl through a
drainage pipe to see so you

1066
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,320
feel, I feel like you have to be
really dedicated to see this

1067
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,640
particular drainage pipe coat
man.

1068
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,880
All right.
And then finally on the list we

1069
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,680
have.
The Lake Worth goat man Who?

1070
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,200
I have heard of the Lake Worth
monster before, but I didn't

1071
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,080
know that it was actually just a
goat man and I don't know why we

1072
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,640
don't just call it the Lake
Worth goat man so no, here we go

1073
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,320
Texan folklore.
The Lake Worth Monster is a

1074
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,280
legendary creature said to
inhabit Lake Worth at the Fort

1075
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,840
Worth Nature Center and refuge
just outside of Fort Worth.

1076
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,640
The creature is often described
as part man, part goat, with

1077
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,960
scales and long.
Clawed fingers so I would go.

1078
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,080
So far as to say there's also
another part that we're not.

1079
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:56,800
Being told about part fish part
lizard because goats and humans

1080
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,120
don't have scales or long clawed
fingers.

1081
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,880
So I'm going to I.
Just have a question.

1082
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,000
But also it just it doesn't list
what part is the man, what part

1083
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,680
is the goat.
So this could be our reverse

1084
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,120
goat man man.
Goat man goat.

1085
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,760
I feel like I am like
dangerously close to a South.

1086
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,680
Park joke?
I feel like I'm dangerously

1087
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:20,600
close to accidentally reverse
engineering a South Park joke.

1088
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,040
OK but also that's a lot of goat
men.

1089
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:29,960
How many goat men is that?
We got 1/2. 3456 that I am aware

1090
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,480
of.
That's a lot of goat men.

1091
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,160
What do you call a group of goat
men?

1092
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,560
Anyway, what do you call?
OK, hold on.

1093
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:38,680
We got to find out.
Hold on.

1094
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:43,840
What do we call?
What do you call a group of

1095
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,000
goats?
What are they called?

1096
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,760
They're called a herd.
That's so that's.

1097
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,640
So anti climatic?
Wait a minute, wait a minute.

1098
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:57,200
No, they do have a special term.
A herd a tribe or a trip a herd

1099
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,080
a tribe.
Or a trip.

1100
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,640
So then what do we call a herd
of goatmen?

1101
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,640
It's like just a.
Billy, because you.

1102
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,040
Know like Billy's like a guy.
'S name and it's also a Billy

1103
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,600
goat.
Dilly Doo, Dilly Doo, this is

1104
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,800
Madame.
Strangeways from the future,

1105
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,720
when I'm editing the episode, it
just came to me.

1106
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,520
A a group of goatmen is called a
tribulation, right?

1107
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,160
Because goats is like a tribe.
A tribulation.

1108
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,480
Come on.
That's good, right?

1109
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:33,480
A tribulation of goatmen.
OK, back, back to the past.

1110
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:35,440
I feel like there's something
there.

1111
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,400
Let me know what.
Do you think what should we call

1112
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,600
a herd or?
At least a small group of

1113
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,000
goatmen.
Madam Strangeways.

1114
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,720
At Gmail dot.
Com let me know what you think.

1115
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,760
And that's the goat man of Elton
Bridge, the old Elton Bridge in

1116
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,440
Denton County.
Thank you so much for listening.

1117
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:56,240
If you have your own story or
just a brush with an urban

1118
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,560
legend that you'd like to share
to hear read on the show, you

1119
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,400
can go ahead and e-mail that to
me at

1120
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,680
madamstrangeways@gmail.com.
Thanks for listening.

1121
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,720
Remember that you can.
Feel afraid and not be in

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danger.
You're safe here with me

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probably.
Thank.

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You for joining me for more.
True strange stories of the

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unexplained.
Now I'm running A1 Madam show

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here so please do me a strange
solid and follow the podcast or

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leave me a rating on Apple or
Spotify and maybe even join the

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Patreon at patreon.com/madam
Strangeways for bonus content.

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Madam Strangeways is.
Produced.

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And narrated by me, Madam
Strangeways.

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Theme music is by
marina.ryan@marinamakes.co.

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Cover art is by Andrea Chiselle
Roldan at Cult of Teddy on

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Instagram.
Every strange story is shared.

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With the permission of the
author, you can submit your own.

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True.
Strange story to

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madamstrangeways@gmail.com or
check out the website

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madamstrangeways.com.
See you soon.

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She.
Said ominously.