Unexplained House Shaking | True Paranormal Stories & Spooky History | Ep #45

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1:45 Terrifying, unexplainable house shaking by DC. This is one of the strangest and most unsettling things I've ever experienced and after over a decade I still don't have an explanation. I've told friends, family, even therapists. No one can explain it, but everyone agrees it's bizarre. About 13 years ago I had just moved into a new to me house. It was a nice clean two-story suburban home. Looked totally normal, no red flags. I thought it would be my forever home. The house was about 15 years old. One evening I was giving my young daughter a bath. She was maybe two or three years old. And out of nowhere, there was this massive bang in the house. Not just a noise, it felt like the entire house shuttered, like an earthquake.

2:49 It was so intense I could physically feel it. It scared me more than anything I've ever experienced. I didn't think, I just reacted. I grabbed my soaking wet toddler out of the tub and didn't even dress her, grabbed the dog and ran out the front door. I threw them in the car and drove straight to a nearby Walgreens a mile down the road. That's how scared I was. I called my husband and told him that he needed to come home from work immediately. Something had happened. I've never done that before or since. I didn't return until he came home and checked everything inside and out and found nothing. No damage, no broken pipes, no roof debris, no cracked drywall, nothing on the foundation, and no neighbors mentioned anything. He ended up chalking it up to me being jumpy and overreacting. I told my therapist about it and she said maybe a cougar or something jumped on the roof, but it didn't feel like that. This wasn't an animal sound, it felt structural, like something hit the entire house.

4:09 Years passed, I still thought about it from time to time but there was never a good explanation. No follow up issues with the house, nothing weird. Until five years later when my husband experienced the exact same thing. I wasn't home. He said there was a huge bang that shook the whole house so hard he fell out of his chair. My husband is £250. He ran outside expecting to see a tree branch or a car crash or something. Nothing. Everything was normal. Neighbors were just doing yard work again. He even asked my next door neighbors at one point who we were really friendly with.

4:59 They said they didn't see or feel anything. We became scared to talk about it in the house, like maybe something was listening, but we'd discuss it when we were out to dinner or etcetera. It actually happened at least one more time when we were both home. Same deal, no damage, no explanation, just the most intense physical jolt you can imagine. Like something hit the house with full force from the inside but left no trace. We had the house inspected before we bought it and it was in great condition.

5:42 No foundation issues, no settling, no visible signs of structural problems ever. No cracks in the walls, no shifting floors, nothing. We thought maybe it was a sinkhole or or an underground shift, but we could never find any evidence. And again, it wasn't ongoing, just a few very specific identical incidents over 11 years. For context, this home is in an area with no real known seismic activity. There had been mines in the city at some point in the distant history. So I actually went to the library and looked up the old mining maps.

6:23 This neighborhood did not have any known mines. Eventually I realized that as much as I wanted that to be my forever home, I could never fully feel safe there again. Something deep inside me new. I wouldn't be able to stay forever. That house scared me so we sold it about 3 years ago and moved. I've never felt anything like it in any house before or since, and I still think about it. Not because I want answers, I've kind of accepted I'll never get any, but because I want to know if anyone else has ever experienced something like this. I've never been afraid like that. DC, thank you so much for allowing me to read your story on the show.

7:31 No, I have never experienced anything like that, and I am so grateful that I have never experienced anything like that. That sounded terrifying. So terrifying. I'm sorry that you had to experience it. I'm sorry you had to leave what you had wanted to be your forever home absolutely sucks. But you know what? Here's what I couldn't stop thinking about was thank God your husband experienced, you know, it's like, ah, God, I mean, it's not like I, I, I wish it had never happened again, But if it's going to continue to happen, it needed to happen where he witnessed it, especially like alone to have that experience that you had. You know, it's like when something's going wrong on your computer and you're like, hey, IT, can you come help? And they come over and it's working totally normal and you look crazy and dumb, but no, no, no, it happens. It just doesn't happen constantly. So I am glad at least that you were vindicated. I mean this at the silver lining to this story, to this terrifying story.

8:31 Thank you so much for allowing me to read it. And DC also gave me some info in our DMS and so I'm going to read this first message that she sent me. She said. For some additional context, I absolutely consider myself a skeptic. I am not one to believe anything out of the ordinary. I live a normal, mundane life as a suburban mother and have never experienced anything remotely like this. The first time it happened I tried to blow it off and ultimately did over the years, but after my husband experienced the same thing, there was no explaining. In a way, the shaking physically removed him from his office chair onto the floor. We have talked and researched and explained to friends and family and never had any reasonable suggestions that we haven't already considered come up. There's no plausible explanation. Additionally, there were other oddities about the home and This is why I wanted to share this with you. So listen up.

9:28 This is this is the good part. There were additional where were we? We were other oddities about the home. Our dog at the time refused to go upstairs. We thought it was the physical stairs, but we would take her up and she would shake and urinate until we take her back downstairs. We stopped talking about the house while we were there because it felt like it would get worse when we would. When I told my husband about this post, he reiterated that same feeling. After the shaking, we'd be scared and uneasy for days. We even stayed elsewhere for a few days once it didn't feel normal. I could go on, but truly, the shaking terrified me.

10:08 I am not a nervous person or easily shaken. I'm going to pause because I'm going to tell you right now you're a little easily shaken because your house was shaking. Because your house was shaking. You see, you see what I'm OK or easily shaken, except in the case when my house is shaking is I'm just, I'm just going to add that for you. I really did plan on living there forever, but I felt unsafe. When we sold the home, there was another inspection completed by the new buyers verifying the structural integrity of the home. I'm glad we moved and I've experienced nothing since then. Unfortunate or fortunately, unfortunately not unfortunately. But she also went on to say that we'd love to understand, you know, like what happened. So of course I want to talk about it. I want to, I want to understand what happened too. I mean, I think we need to be honest up front. It's unlikely we will ever know what actually happened, but we're going to talk about it anyway. We're going to see maybe if we can come up with some theories, maybe not new theories, but OK, you'll see. You'll see.

11:12 So obviously what I like to do is it's either a paranormal point of view or a mundane point of view. Like, what are some explanations through both of those lenses from a paranormal point of view? And I'm going to move quickly through these because I've got a lot of mundane explanations that I really want to talk about. So the paranormal explanations, I mean, I think if I was Ed or Lorraine Warren, wow, Ed or Lorraine Warren, or if I was one of their ilk, I would probably say it's a demon. I would probably say it's a poltergeist. I would probably say you need some holy water and you need a priest and you need an exorcism and etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

11:53 OK. I mean, sure. I, you know, my stance on the show is that I personally don't believe that demons and poltergeists and etcetera, you know, if they exist, I don't think they can hurt you. So I would they be able to shake a house? I don't know. I don't buy it. What's the point? That's all they do. I don't know, you know what I mean. Say sure, it could be a poltergeist. There could be some sort of local folklore. I don't know where the house is exactly. And I didn't want to potentially docks DC and I don't know, it was 13 years ago. So I don't know where DC lived 13 years ago. Is that my bad for not asking? Yes, but here we are. So there could be some local folklore to explain, you know, this is something that's known in the area or oh, there's a there's a legend of, of a house that shakes. You know, I don't know, I don't know. I mean, maybe it's UFO related.

12:47 Maybe it's some sort of alien encounter. Like, you know, I mean, just from my knowledge of The X-Files, you know, whenever, whenever the aliens show up in X-Files for Fox Mulder's sister and then eventually Scully, spoiler alert, whenever that happens, the house always shakes, but there's always a really bright light. So I think there are some people that could argue that maybe this is an alien event, maybe this is, you know, maybe maybe you were being abducted or I, you know, I don't know, could be, or like, I don't know, Ley lines, geomagnetic something. There's something here just, you know, kind of also just again, it kind of depends on the location of the house.

13:29 But so sure, there's some of those explanations, but I have found the more mundane explanations to be much more fascinating than the paranormal ones in this case. So because DC specifically said we'd love to understand, I am here. I don't know if this will actually explain anything, but I'm happy to jump in. So #1 And I think this was something that somebody in the thread actually suggested explosive gas build up. Oh, it was because someone actually linked to another Reddit post where someone was saying that they had this house shaking event happened to them when they were a teenager. And I think they were home alone and the whole house shook and they were terrified and they ran outside panicked, you know, had their parents come home early from wherever they were.

14:16 And then it turns out that there had been a gas pipe underneath the house. And so there was like this level, this huge level of gas buildup that resulted specifically in their bedroom shaking from the explosion. Like it didn't even impact the entire house. It was like directly under their bedroom. So I was like, OK, I want to know more. I want to understand more because I'm like, that sounds, you know, pretty. That sounds plausible to me and why it wouldn't affect other houses nearby. But here, here we go. And now I'm not, I'm not an explosive gas buildup expert, you know, but we're going to we're going to try. So exclusive.

14:59 OK, OK, great for explosive gas buildup, fires and explosions associated with anaerobic digesters and methane storage systems. I'm so in over my head here, I'm going to start this over. Fires and explosions associated with anaerobic digesters and methane storage systems are more common than people realize, mostly because of widespread underreporting. This is especially true in near miss situations where there is no human injury or death. So if we assume that there was an explosive gas buildup beneath that house, specifically whether it's like a gas pipe, I don't know how I don't, I don't know. I'm not a city planner.

15:43 I don't know how this works. I'm just saying there's a possibility that there's some sort of pipe or some sort of chamber system. I don't know. But I feel like it's, it's, it's a possibility that especially because it didn't happen often, right? So maybe it happened just often enough that the pressure built up and then there was an explosion. I'm kind of picturing it like if you've ever seen in person or just like on a video, obviously a manhole fly off the ground like into the air and maybe there's like a flame with it. You know, I feel like that's what's happening because apparently this some, this is something that happens at wastewater facilities all the time, all the time because it's under reported. And when something's under reported, there's just no telling how often it happens.

16:32 So it could be a lot more common than we realize. Probably definitely is. So I feel like I feel like this is a strong contender, but I don't know what was happening beneath the house. I also don't know if you could definitely for sure know everything that's beneath your house. I don't know. Can you? Is that something you can do? e-mail me madamstrangers@gmail.com. How would you even look into that? How do I, how would I find out everything that's beneath my home? And now I'm curious. Now I want to know what's under my helm. I hope this doesn't happen to me. OK, so there's, there's one theory which I I don't hate. I like it. Actually, I would go so far as to say I like it. But it's funny because in that discussion, we were discussing wastewater, right?

17:17 Wastewater facilities. So Speaking of wastewater, here we go. We'll get there. OK. It's not you'll listen. Trust me. Trust the process. So I know that DC said that there is no seismic activity in the area. There is not known seismic activity where this house was. OK, I understand that. I understand. However, even if an area isn't typically known for seismic activity, like for instance, Oklahoma, just as an example, fracking. OK, actually I went into this thinking that fracking was causing earthquakes, but I actually had to do a little mini rabbit hole deep dive to understand.

18:01 Actually, that's not necessarily the case, although it kind of is. It's definitely an indirect cause of fracking. But OK, let me get there. So it's not just fracking, but also the whole cause of earthquakes that are related to fracking is due to wastewater injection. See, I told you, you just got to trust me. Wastewater injection as a result of fracking, but also it's a result of mining or treated wastewater from cities and factories. So I guess it's not just fracking that causes earthquakes anyway. So it's wastewater injection that's what's causing the earthquake in areas where you don't usually find them. And apparently, what wastewater injection is basically OK, I don't want to get into this here. Here we go.

18:50 This is according to the USGS, so the United States Geological Survey, The fluid that is injected at depth is sometimes hydro hydraulically. That shouldn't have been that hard of a word. That's not that difficult of a word. I'm embarrassed. Sometimes hydraulically connected to faults. When this happens, fluid pressures increase within the fault, counteracting the frictional forces on faults. This makes earthquakes more likely to occur on them. And analog to this system is an air hockey table. So when an air hockey table is off, the puck does not move readily, but when the table is on, the puck glides more easily.

19:32 So raising fluid pressure within a fault is like turning on an air hockey table. Also, you could look at it as lubrication to faults that are not typically moving around. So just the thought. I don't know if there's any fracking or if there's any wastewater injections that are going on in the place where this house was. However, according to the Seismological Society of America, which is just got to be the most exciting society to have ever existed. They say wastewater injection resulting from oil and gas production in Oklahoma caused a dramatic rise in seismic activity in the state between 2009 and 2015. So just just some food for thought. I will say, I think that this is a possibility. I think this is a distinct possibility that there was not seismic activity in this area, but now that there is depending on the location of the home.

20:30 So this could be a completely moot point, but we're going to continue because here's the thing you may be saying. Right? But DC specifically said it was only them that felt the earthquakes. Their neighbors didn't notice anything. OK, don't worry, I got you. So apparently come to find tiny, shallow earthquakes can exist that are below standard detection thresholds. And I know we're all familiar with the Richter scale. Who's Richter? I feel like I Richter. I hardly know where I I'm disappointed in myself as well. Anyway, I am not going down a rabbit hole for who is Richter? Why is it named after Richter?

21:12 Richter. I assume Richter is a seismologist, maybe V prominent seismologist. You know, that's probably the case. I think we can move forward with that anyway. We all know about the Richter scale, but then there is apparently a different type of intensity scale and they're Rome, they're Roman numerals. So, you know, it's fancy and it starts 12345. It goes down further, but I only screenshot it down to 5 because you're going to find out that's relevant anyway. So there's different intensity scales. And so we're going to get into it in a second, in a second. But first, according to the United States Geological Survey, booms have been reported for a long time and they tend to occur more in the northeastern US and along the East Coast. Of course, most booms that people hear or experience are actually some type of cultural noise, such as some type of explosion, a large vehicle going by, or sometimes a Sonic boom. But there have been many reports of booms that cannot be explained by man made sources, which that's what really got my attention when I was in my 50th tab on Chrome reading about this.

22:20 I sat up a little bit straighter, like OK, so let me just read that again for for emphasis. But there have been many reports of booms that cannot be explained by man made sources. No one knows for sure, but scientists speculate that these booms are probably small, shallow earthquakes that are too small to be recorded, but large enough to be felt by people nearby. So right there we have a precedent for small, shallow earthquakes that are not in any record and that are just large enough to be felt by people in the Brighton. You may be saying it says people, maybe not just one house. OK, hold on, hold on. Because this is how this is when we're getting into the intensity. So the intensity one level 1, not felt, people's reaction. Not felt.

23:07 It, it, it, it says people's reaction and then it tells you a little bit more details. So the people's reaction for a #1 intensity, not felt #2 intensity felt by a few. OK. And then it says for furnishings, delicately suspended objects may swing. Obviously we know it was a little bit stronger than that. So it's, although we like felt by a few, you know, we don't like the furnishings just swinging gently. OK, so #3 felt by several, which what does that mean? Again, several, like several houses, several people in one house, TBD felt by several vibration like passing of a truck. It feels like it was a little bit more intense than the passing of a truck.

23:52 But it does say for furnishings, hanging objects may swing appreciably appreciably. That's the word I need to use more in my common vocabulary. So #4 intensity IV because remember, these are Roman numerals. I don't want you to get it confused. People's reaction to a #4 felt by many sensation like heavy body striking building. I mean, that's what it sounded like, right? Because even the therapist suggested, well, maybe it was a cougar that jumped on the House, which is just such a funny thing. It's not funny that DC asked her therapist.

24:32 That's not funny. I asked my therapist all manner of things that are not related to my mental health. I mean, this is technically related to mental health, but you get me. I I don't at all blame DC for asking. It's just funny. But that's like, well, maybe it was a cougar. Like that is that gives me no comfort whatsoever. That's like the negative amount of comfort, not even because I think that there's a cougar on the House, but like, oh, so you've got no ideas is what? What? You could just tell me that. You know what? Just tell me you don't know. Just tell me you don't know 'cause you don't 'cause it's not a cougar. We know that. So furnishings for level 4, it says dishes rattle and then build environment, it says walls crack, windows rattle. Now we've discussed there was no destruction of the house. The house was totally fine.

25:21 It was fine before, it was fine after. So obviously the walls weren't weren't cracking. So you know what I'm feeling, I'm feeling like a 3.5. I'm feeling like Roman numeral 3. How do you do that in Roman numerals? How do you do? It's not like I I dot V that's not going to be 3 1/2. How do you do halves in home and Roman numerals? e-mail me mountofstrangeways@gmail.com. Actually, I got to look this up. Hold on. OK, I'm back of the Roman numeral for half. Like 1/2 is semis and it's an SI. Guess I should have said it the other way. It's an S, which stands for semis, which means half I guess. So you do IIIS.

26:12 That's what I'm going for, is IIS on the intensity scale because obviously the walls didn't crack. However, we did feel like a heavy body striking the building. It was like pretty, pretty similar to that I feel. So I don't know. I tell me what you think. I want to know. We're not done. We've got more. But tell me what you think. madamestrangeways@gmail.com How likely do you find this theory of localized small, shallow earthquakes potentially caused by wastewater injection? I don't know. Let me know. OK. Now, strangely, this next theory I researched doesn't involve wastewater, but it does involve waste, which now I'm just going to have to start doing more research because I did not understand that we were just pumping contaminated gross water directly into the earth.

27:04 Did you know that I didn't know that I at my big age, I had no clue that that was happening. I don't know where I thought it was going. It says treated wastewater. I don't know what I thought treated meant. I mean, I didn't think it was, you know, come going back into my Brita. But I definitely didn't think it was being injected directly into Mother Earth, which is horrifying. So that's what I'll probably be looking up after I finish this episode. Just if you're curious. So anyway, back more waste. This is great. We're humans are a blight on the planet. This is so fun. So waste as in a landfill? So DCI am so curious if there was a landfill anywhere near the house.

27:46 I could have totally asked you this before doing the episode. I didn't. So let me know madamstrangeways@gmail.com Or you can just slide back into my DMS on Reddit. I'm really curious to know. Also, let me know if you think it was anywhere near actually just tell me where it was. I'll do the research and I can do a follow up if we find out an answer if you want to know. Do you want to hear a follow up madamstrangeways@gmail.com? All right, so get this, This is from CBS News. It sounded like a jackhammer. This is the headline. It sounded like a jackhammer. Twin Cities homeowner finds violent house shaking linked to landfill. This is this is promising. I find it promising. So here's the article. After some digging, Carlson found out that the. Did my voice just crack?

28:30 We're going to. I'm leaving it in. You know what? I like to be real with you guys. We're going to leave it in. We're going to start over. After some digging, Carlson found out that violent shaking was caused by something that happened at the landfill less than a mile from her house. Never in a million. Oh, what character, where? What accent do you have? If you're from Twin Cities, I actually don't know where that is. Is that in Minnesota? I feel like it is. Hold on, let's check. OK, I'm back. Yes, it's Minneapolis and Saint Paul, Minneapolis and Saint Paul and Minnesota. So I am really good at geography, if it's not already very clear to you, obviously. OK, so here's what I'm going to do. I'm not going to do an accent because I don't did I kind of just do one just now?

29:13 I don't know what people in Minnesota sound like. We're just going to, and I'm not. You know what? I'm not going to insult the fine people of Minnesota by doing a Fargo accent because that's North Dakota. See, I know geography. You might as well call me Madam Geography ways, Madam Strange geography. There's something there. Listen, here's I'm just going to read her a quote. She said. Never in a million years would I have thought that anything going on at the landfill would be causing my home to shake, Carlson said. The Burnsville Public Works director said Carlson was not the only one who called the city. He says the whole thing was caused by a malfunction with the equipment the landfill uses to burn methane, a required step that reduces the landfill's impact on the environment.

30:01 The company said that the new monitoring and control equipment has been installed and is functioning correctly, which should prevent this type of incident in the future. I'm not sure that it did, but there's not another article about it, so we'll never know. But what do you think, DC? Were you near a landfill? Were you near anything that has to do with methane or waste? Let me know. I'm so curious to know, but still good to know that there's a lot of reasons why a house might shake. However, my pet theory I saved for last. Best for last. This is definitely the strangest of the theories and the most up my alley, which is why I've saved it for dessert. So here is my pet theory from The Associated Press. The headline is shaking.

30:50 House remains. Sorry, let me do my news. What have I been doing? I haven't been doing my news article. Reader, reporter, that's the word. I haven't been doing my news reporter. Voice from The Associated Press. Shaking house remains a mystery decades later, 68 years later. The story sounds like something out of Poltergeist. I'm not going to do the whole thing like that because there's a lot. But listen, it says, no cause could be found for the mysterious phenomenon phenomenon which affected no other house on the streets. I always interrupt myself with the most important sentences. No 'cause can be found for the mysterious phenomenon of the house shaking which affected no other house on the street.

31:34 That is key that we're on to something here. Shaking house a mystery and headache to tenants. Read the headline on the front page. Story in the Worcestershire. Worcestershire Word Worcester. Worcester in the Worcester Telegraph. Where is this? Is this Massachusetts? Oh, no, it is because I am obviously, as you know, a pro at geography. OK, Google, How do you pronounce the city in Massachusetts that is spelled like Worcester? I know there's like a woo or like a woo. Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

32:15 Worcester is a city in the US. Worcester. That's wrong. There's no way that's right. Worcester. Worcester, No. OK, we're going to get back to the story that just doesn't sound right, right? So here we go, Shaking house a mystery and headache to tenants. Read the headline on the front page story in the Worcester Worcester Damn Telegram on May 13th, 1950. It's not going to happen. I'm not going to make Worcester, Worcester happen. The family of the house's owner in 1950 offers a more mundane, but head scratching in its own way, explanation. It's probably not as haunted as you think it is, said Randy Chavor, a retired Worcester Worcester Fire Department district chief whose late grandmother, Victoria Chavor, owned the three family apartment at 14 Douglas St. at the time of the disturbances. From what I was told, he said with a laugh. It's not as exciting as it sounds. Where university engineers were unable to find the cause of the shaking, Chavoir family members say a plumber later did. Behind the medicine cabinet in the wall of the first floor apartment.

33:22 If you're like me, I was like, what do you mean they found something in the first in the wall behind the medicine cabinet on the 1st floor. What do you mean it's in the wall? What's in the wall? According to my cousin, someone put a washing machine motor inside the wall, Chief Chavor said. She's 99% sure, though she doesn't want to get anybody in trouble, that it was the first floor person who wanted to buy the house from our grandmother. There was some type of motor. He evidently put power to it and it was enough to shake the whole house. It was said among the Chavoir family that the man on the 1st floor wanted to buy the house and that perhaps is why he was trying to make the place appear haunted by making the house shake to get the price down.

34:08 I kind of love it. It's clever, it's resourceful, you know, like you got to do what you got to do to get a affordable house. Although here's what I'll say. 1950 y'all didn't need y'all didn't need to be doing that. Housing prices. 1950 girl, we don't need to be doing that. You don't need to be doing all that. You don't need to put a you don't need to put a tab washing machine motor inside the wall and turn it on and scare the living crap out of people. It's completely unnecessary. You can afford a house in 1950 on nothing peanuts. I think that's how much a house cost in 1950 is approximately 3 peanuts, maybe 3 1/2 peanuts IIS peanuts.

34:54 That's how much it cost to buy a house. So completely unnecessary, but very clever. Very clever, very mischievous, you might say. So I love that theory. I mean, what are the odds that there was actually a washing machine motor in the wall? Probably slim, but that would be really interesting. Now there wouldn't really be a reason to put it in the wall unless there was some drama around the house. DC let me know. Was there drama about the house? Did someone want to get the house from you? Maybe. You know what? Maybe someone put it there for the purpose of making the house seem haunted and then they didn't come and get it back.

35:39 Now that how would it be powered? I don't know. I don't know. I'm just an ideas person. I don't know. You all figure it out. You tell me. How did they make this work? If someone, if someone put a motor of some kind in the walls of DC's home that DC wanted to be her forever home, If someone did that, how would they make it work? Let me know. Madam strangewas@gmail.com. So that's my pet theory. That's my favorite theory. Is it the most likely? No. Is it my favorite theory? Yes, I know that you know, there's in the in the Reddit thread, you hear them talk about Sonic booms. You hear them talk about honestly, I can't even remember, but there's some other theories. But I was like, uh, I feel like a Sonic boom. Other people around are going to hear it. However, I specifically only looked at ideas that could happen and have it where only the person or people in one house could have experienced the shaking. Because I mean, think about it, even one of the earlier theories, if someone's outside doing their lawn and they're not inside for their house to shake, would they even notice? If it's not something that can even be measured on the Richter scale, would they even notice?

36:50 Is, you know, I don't know. However, what is it? What are the odds that your neighbors are never in their house when something like that happens? You know, probably slim. So I don't know. You tell me what theory do you think is the most plausible for this situation and DC, let me know. Let me know if any of these situations seem like they're plausible for your story. And hopefully I've given you some more food for thought. I know that never not having an answer for me is the worst thing. I don't know if you can tell that about me just from the show that I do. I don't like not having answers. I love having answers. I love knowing things. For me personally, the way I was raised, but not knowing things is really unsafe from my nervous system personally.

37:37 So that would drive me nuts never having an answer for that. So you know, even if, even if this did not give you answers, I hope one day you do. I hope you do because it would drive me nuts. I would to my grave. I would take this mystery to my grave, wondering what happened. I can't even imagine how scary that would have been. So DC again, thank you so much for letting me Share your story. And if anyone listening, if you, yes you listening, has an unexplained story that you would like to share with me for me to read on the show and to possibly go down a few rabbit holes and research holes, let me know. Let me know. e-mail me at madamstrangeways@gmail.com. I can't wait to read it.

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39:16 On Instagram, every strange story is shared with the permission of the author. You can submit your own true strange story to madamstrangeways@gmail.com or check out the website madamstrangeways.com. See you soon, she said ominously. So S so you would do 111? Nope. You would do 333? Nope. What is wrong with me?